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i've always wondered how the pious believe god has directed a process that is partially random (gene mutation), has no goal other than survival, creates imperfect creatures, and leaves a path of enormous suffering and extinct species?
aside from that, one must wonder how a believer in god-directed evolution could have any problem with homosexuality considering how rampant it is in non-human animals, a product of evolution that has merely followed life to humans.
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And how could a rational deity allow the existence of stupid text/net terms like "lol," unless accompanied by "fart" and "*bye" ???
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also, to attempt to answer this question, although I'm sure it's fruitless to do so, but whatever:
If evolution is a set of random processes, that left, and continue to leave, a swath of destruction in its path with no other perceptible purpose than survival, etc, etc - wouldn't it be logical enough for one of the pious to believe that a "God" kicked off the process and allowed it continue along whatever measurable course (as enumerated above) due to the concept of free will? not that I think ceebs will accept anything in that light as "logical" ...
"God" kicked off the process and allowed it continue along whatever measurable course
The Cylons look like us now, so...
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well the simplest way to square the two would be god rolled the snowball down the hill, eventually it was snow boulder, but he hasn't done a thing since he pushed that snowball down the hill.
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well the simplest way to square the two would be god rolled the snowball down the hill, eventually it was snow boulder, but he hasn't done a thing since he pushed that snowball down the hill.
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McParadigm wrote:
windedsailor wrote:
well the simplest way to square the two would be god rolled the snowball down the hill, eventually it was snow boulder, but he hasn't done a thing since he pushed that snowball down the hill.
He had to go inside for dinner, eh?
or chose to
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windedsailor wrote:
well the simplest way to square the two would be god rolled the snowball down the hill, eventually it was snow boulder, but he hasn't done a thing since he pushed that snowball down the hill.
of course, but i was talking about squaring god-driven evolution; that is, that god consciously directed evolution the whole way through.
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corduroy_blazer wrote:
windedsailor wrote:
well the simplest way to square the two would be god rolled the snowball down the hill, eventually it was snow boulder, but he hasn't done a thing since he pushed that snowball down the hill.
of course, but i was talking about squaring god-driven evolution; that is, that god consciously directed evolution the whole way through.
because it led to humans. End of argument.
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corduroy_blazer wrote:
windedsailor wrote:
well the simplest way to square the two would be god rolled the snowball down the hill, eventually it was snow boulder, but he hasn't done a thing since he pushed that snowball down the hill.
of course, but i was talking about squaring god-driven evolution; that is, that god consciously directed evolution the whole way through.
Maybe all he did was push the snowball but knew exactly which individual snowflakes it would eventually take on.
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well the simplest way to square the two would be god rolled the snowball down the hill, eventually it was snow boulder, but he hasn't done a thing since he pushed that snowball down the hill.
of course, but i was talking about squaring god-driven evolution; that is, that god consciously directed evolution the whole way through.
because it led to humans. End of argument.
I'm far from a science major so this may seem like a horribly stupid question. How long have humnas been around? What's the average evolution cycle been for the line of species leading to humans?
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tyler wrote:
mecca2687 wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
windedsailor wrote:
well the simplest way to square the two would be god rolled the snowball down the hill, eventually it was snow boulder, but he hasn't done a thing since he pushed that snowball down the hill.
of course, but i was talking about squaring god-driven evolution; that is, that god consciously directed evolution the whole way through.
because it led to humans. End of argument.
I'm far from a science major so this may seem like a horribly stupid question. How long have humnas been around? What's the average evolution cycle been for the line of species leading to humans?
for a long time there was nothing. then there was bacteria, then a few million more years more, better types of bacteria. then a few more million years later, exploded into everything. humans have been around a short amount of time compared to evolution.
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well the simplest way to square the two would be god rolled the snowball down the hill, eventually it was snow boulder, but he hasn't done a thing since he pushed that snowball down the hill.
of course, but i was talking about squaring god-driven evolution; that is, that god consciously directed evolution the whole way through.
because it led to humans. End of argument.
I'm far from a science major so this may seem like a horribly stupid question. How long have humnas been around? What's the average evolution cycle been for the line of species leading to humans?
for a long time there was nothing. then there was bacteria, then a few million more years more, better types of bacteria. then a few more million years later, exploded into everything. humans have been around a short amount of time compared to evolution.
Thanks. I meant more along the lines of cro-mag man to homosapien kind of thing.
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