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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:49 am 
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Please help settle the argument raging in my work place:

18 - 6 / 2 + 4 x (7 - 2) = ??

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FloydTheBarber wrote:
Please help settle the argument raging in my work place:

18 - 6 / 2 + 4 x (7 - 2) = ??


18-3+4x5=15+20=35

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Yeah but no but yeah.

See shouldn't you do addition before subtraction and therefore get 18 - 23 = -5 ?

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thats called order of operations


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 Post subject: Re: What is the answer to this sum?
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yes, addition and substraction are equally strong. Like division and multiplication.

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FloydTheBarber wrote:
Yeah but no but yeah.

See shouldn't you do addition before subtraction and therefore get 18 - 23 = -5 ?


No, only if you'd written
18 - (6 / 2 + 4 x (7 - 2)) = ??
instead of
18 - 6 / 2 + 4 x (7 - 2) = ??

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But if they are equally important couldn't the answer be 35 or -5?

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 Post subject: Re: What is the answer to this sum?
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No. What you do with the 20 is substract them, while there is a + before them. The only way to manage that is with the hooks, as I showed before.

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Nope, you go left to right

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 Post subject: Re: What is the answer to this sum?
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So if you have addition and subtraction you work left to right?

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here are some variations:

18 - 6 / 2 + 4 x (7 - 2) = 35

18 - 6 / 2 = 35 - 4 X (7-2)
18 - 3 = 35 - 20
or
18 = 35 + 6/2 - 4 X (7-2)
18 = 35 + 3 - 20

and lots more. That's the good thing about equalisation: there's always just one answer :wink:

Here's the same one from right to left, because that doesn't really matter:

(7-2) x 4 - 6/2 + 18
it's still

5x4 - 3 + 18 = 17 + 18 = 35

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 Post subject: Re: What is the answer to this sum?
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OK now I get it.

Thanks.

Even though you didn't give the answer I wanted.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations

What I always liked was when you have these large puzzles and you can solve them just by shuffling it around and striping things away against each other.
It all starts so simple: one sides equals the other side of the =, and when they move to the other side, the + changes into -

3+4=7
3=7-4
-7=-4-3
-7+4=-3
-7+4+3=0

and more fun like that :lol: (insert semi-nerd smiley here :haha: )

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FloydTheBarber wrote:
OK now I get it.

Thanks.

Even though you didn't give the answer I wanted.


Next time your answer will be the right one, because now you know ;). I was always in fights about calculations of probability, even with my teacher. With her, my marks dropped from very good to just enough to pass.

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It's all about BODMAS

B Brackets first
O Orders (ie Powers and Square Roots, etc.)
DM Division and Multiplication (left-to-right)
AS Addition and Subtraction (left-to-right)

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Fuckin Aussies, it's PEMDAS (please excuse my dear aunt sally)
parenthesis
exponents
multiplication
division
adddition
subtraction

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The problem was I was using

B
O
D
M
A
S

and not

B
O
DM
AS

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Fuckin Aussies, it's PEMDAS (please excuse my dear aunt sally)
parenthesis
exponents
multiplication
division
adddition
subtraction

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Fuckin Aussies, it's PEMDAS (please excuse my dear aunt sally)
parenthesis
exponents
multiplication
division
adddition
subtraction


We were always taught BEDMAS

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