For those who receive it early, my only question is whether the MTV Unplugged DVD is complete (incl. RITFW). I will be super-pissed if it is not after the way they have hyped this thing, yet I feel like management will find some way to screw it up. Remember when this band believed in only complete, unedited recordings of live shows?

Apparently the shipments have started to arrive. Mine says 3/20.

I'd be extremely surprised if RITFW is included on unplugged.
The same goes for Sonic Reducer and RITFW on the Drop In The Park concert.
I guess Sony don't want to be paying royalties out to Neil Young and The Dead Boys.

confirmed by TacoJammer:

"It does not include RITFW. Just what was on TV."

what bullshit! I am pissed. this is the second time 10C has deliberately duped us, the first being the "special edition" of Avocado, where they just threw in an audience recording of a show we already had. what is going on over there? instead of saying "here is the tracklist for the shows," knowing full well that a lot of fans are completists, they just sold us with the BS about the "previously unreleased" Oceans.

I know it's dangerous to speak up these days, but I really upset about the turn the band has taken.

"Setlist on the back of the LP:

Evenflow
Once
State of Love and Trust
Why Go
Deep
Jeremy
Black
Alive
Garden
Porch"

I am still hoping that the RITFW and Sonic end up being on the DVD and LP, and they just didnt list them for royalty purposes. If that happens, I will retract everything I have said.

I hoping that Sonic Reducer and Ritfw is the FC single.

That might be a reason it was held off a bit.

Just speculation though.

No way.

I really don't mind if the covers aren't on there. I've heard RITFW more times than I'd ever like to in one lifetime.

Easter Egg maybe???????

When did the band ever "believe" this? 9 (?) of the 2003 shows were edited to remove Arc.

They believed it in 2000, when they used it as a major driving force behind the official bootlegs.

and Arc was removed for a legitimate reason (recording difficulties) having to do with the loop machine.

as B said, there were multiple interviews during the first bootleg blitz in which band members pushed the fact that they do not edit shows.

sad day.

To be fair, when I'm sitting the middle of my living room w/ my big fucking 80's headphones on and my entire box spread out in a big circle around me, I won't be weeping too deeply for those songs.

I want them. But I won't weep.

I dunno where you got that about Arc?? The few bootlegged versions I have heard sound fine. If the loop came out of the mains ok, it shoulda recorded fine.

They never pushed the fact that they never edit shows. They pushed the fact that they were releasing entire shows from that tour. They never vowed to refrain from releasing edited shows, forever.

The trio of Daughter singles give you the entire Atlanta 94 shows, sans a few tunes.

LOTL is edited together from multiple shows.

The shows that have been a part of the bootleg program have never been edited to my knowledge.

Arc was not removed due to recording difficulties, it was removed because Arc was played as tribute to the victims of the Denmark tragedy. 9 victims, 9 times Arc was played.

Doubt it. The FC single is something that comes every year. They already mastered Drop in the Park for this release, why would they not master the last two songs? And if they weren't going to be included in Legacy or anywhere else, what would be the point in delaying the FC single until after this hit the streets? I support the notion that at least one of the songs on the FC single is either a new song or a new cover.

audience recordings and soundboard recordings are two very different things. I am 99% sure I read something on the Pit stating that Arc was not released because of recording issues with the loop machine (perhaps it could not go through the SBD the same way other instruments do).

the Dissident singles and LO2L were at a time when the band was under the label, and I am sure they were calling the shots. for example, it makes sense that neither the band nor the label would want unreleased Vitalogy songs being released in a live version prior to the album.

and CopperTom, I think the idea about Arc not being released because it was a tribute song is something fans came up with. I havent read anything from the band saying that was the case.

audience recordings and soundboard recordings are 2 different things, but I would imagine they are just running out of the soundboard and into a harddrive, meaning that anything that comes out of the mains will also be recorded.

When I seen Arc in Chicago, it wasn't as perfect as the album, but it was damn cool and definitely presentable in official bootleg form, if the band so wished. I am 99% sure you didn't see something about mechanical issues. For the 03 tour the boots were made to order. As soon as the first show with Arc was put up for sale(San Diego?), it was announced that it wouldn't be part of the boots. I know you can hear it fadin out on the Chicago bootleg, so there are recordings of it.

Didn't Ed play it 9 times on his recent solo tours, as well? I never heard the whole "we're leaving it off in tribute to the Roskilde 9" from the band either.

The 2000 and 2003 boots were when the band was with a label. What does that have to do with anything. I agree about the Vitalogy songs, but by the time LO2L came around, PJ definitely had the stroke to release whatever they wanted. Just a year or 2 later, after a less successful album, they started the bootleg program.

I would love to have the extra songs, as much as anybody, but it looks like Sony has too much control for them to pay out royalties to a few more artists.

Arc was not ommitted due to recording difficulties. That is something you came up with. The issue was addressed and answered bluntly in Rumor Pit #55 back in 2003:

Q: Why has Arc been left off the bootlegs?
A: Don't want it on there.