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 Post subject: Joe Torre Should Be Fired
PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:46 pm 
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If you can't motivate your team to go out there and win one game out of four to get into the World Series, you've got a problem. The Yankees didn't even look like they cared in either of the two games at Yankee Stadium and neither did Joe Torre. It looked like they were waiting for something to happen for them instead of going out and just getting the job done.

In my opinion, the Yankees should go out and try to acquire a more outgoing coach like Lou Pinella (or someone similar) who can fire these guys up and isn't afraid to get in their face when neccessary instead of sitting on his ass while his team loses four straight. Am I the only one who feels this way??

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holy christ Steinbrenner isn't the only stupid yankee fan.


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Why not let A-Rod do it? The Yankees need to get their moneys worth some-how.

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Torre will retire before he is fired. He's been hinting at it for years.

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torre doesn't go out and swing the bat and he doesn't go out and pitch shitty.

fire the players before you fire torre.


30 year olds playing to get the the WORLD SERIES shouldn't need much motivation.


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Torre will be there as long as he wants to be.

As much as I loathe the Yankees, I respect Joe Torre. He is the only member of their current squad I do respect.

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dotheevolukin wrote:
Torre will be there as long as he wants to be.

As much as I loathe the Yankees, I respect Joe Torre. He is the only member of their current squad I do respect.


yes i completely agree with everything you just said

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Boy, Yankee fans are spoiled. THey don't win the AL pennant for the 3rd time in nine years and their manager should be fired? I understand that the way they lost is frustrating, but you know they're a contender every year and it's not Torre's fault that $25 million on the mound (Brown and Vasquez) couldn't get anyone out.

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dotheevolukin wrote:

As much as I loathe the Yankees, I respect Joe Torre. He is the only member of their current squad I do respect.


No respect for Bernie, Jeter, or Mo?


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torre doesn't go out and swing the bat and he doesn't go out and pitch shitty.

fire the players before you fire torre.


30 year olds playing to get the the WORLD SERIES shouldn't need much motivation.


if that were the case, manny and marty woulda been in pin stripes a few years ago ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Torre Should Be Fired
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Just Justin wrote:
If you can't motivate your team to go out there and win one game out of four to get into the World Series, you've got a problem. The Yankees didn't even look like they cared in either of the two games at Yankee Stadium and neither did Joe Torre. It looked like they were waiting for something to happen for them instead of going out and just getting the job done.

In my opinion, the Yankees should go out and try to acquire a more outgoing coach like Lou Pinella (or someone similar) who can fire these guys up and isn't afraid to get in their face when neccessary instead of sitting on his ass while his team loses four straight. Am I the only one who feels this way??


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PJHutch wrote:
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If you can't motivate your team to go out there and win one game out of four to get into the World Series, you've got a problem. The Yankees didn't even look like they cared in either of the two games at Yankee Stadium and neither did Joe Torre. It looked like they were waiting for something to happen for them instead of going out and just getting the job done.

In my opinion, the Yankees should go out and try to acquire a more outgoing coach like Lou Pinella (or someone similar) who can fire these guys up and isn't afraid to get in their face when neccessary instead of sitting on his ass while his team loses four straight. Am I the only one who feels this way??


stop smoking crack


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Heads are gonna roll. Steinbrenner will see to it.

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Just Justin wrote:
PJHutch wrote:
Just Justin wrote:
If you can't motivate your team to go out there and win one game out of four to get into the World Series, you've got a problem. The Yankees didn't even look like they cared in either of the two games at Yankee Stadium and neither did Joe Torre. It looked like they were waiting for something to happen for them instead of going out and just getting the job done.

In my opinion, the Yankees should go out and try to acquire a more outgoing coach like Lou Pinella (or someone similar) who can fire these guys up and isn't afraid to get in their face when neccessary instead of sitting on his ass while his team loses four straight. Am I the only one who feels this way??


stop smoking crack


But it's so good.

Heads are gonna roll. Steinbrenner will see to it.


Yeah they are, I was surprised to hear that his head didn't explode yesterday. Torre managed them to 6 WS appearances in 9 years under intense pressure from The Boss. He will leave on his terms


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PJHutch wrote:
Just Justin wrote:
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Just Justin wrote:
If you can't motivate your team to go out there and win one game out of four to get into the World Series, you've got a problem. The Yankees didn't even look like they cared in either of the two games at Yankee Stadium and neither did Joe Torre. It looked like they were waiting for something to happen for them instead of going out and just getting the job done.

In my opinion, the Yankees should go out and try to acquire a more outgoing coach like Lou Pinella (or someone similar) who can fire these guys up and isn't afraid to get in their face when neccessary instead of sitting on his ass while his team loses four straight. Am I the only one who feels this way??


stop smoking crack


But it's so good.

Heads are gonna roll. Steinbrenner will see to it.


Yeah they are, I was surprised to hear that his head didn't explode yesterday. Torre managed them to 6 WS appearances in 9 years under intense pressure from The Boss. He will leave on his terms


What everyne is forgetting when they call for Torre or Cashman to be fired is that it is incredibly difficult to be a manager of GM under Steinbrenner. Torre and Cashman have proven that they can deal with Steinbrenner and be successful. There are not many coaches and GMs out there that would be able to. Lou Pinella most certainly wouldn't. He'd be in Steinbrenner's office participating in screaming matches every single day.

I absolutely loathe the Yankees, but Joe Torre is one of the best managers in baseball history. Any other team would kill to have him. And the Yankees will never fire him.

Jesus. Talk about a fairweather fan. :roll:


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Jesus. Talk about a fairweather fan. :roll:


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Joe Torre is absolutely untouchable. Sure, those Yankees teams he had in the late 90s were unbelievable...but he is just an awesome manager. And being from Boston I can appreciate this, because ever since I have been breathing our skippers have been horrible. You can't throw out a manager because the players on the field failed to use their talents. Managing isn't all about motivating players...in fact that's one of the smaller parts. Look back at what the Yankees have done and see how Torre handles lineups, rotations, pitching changes, etc. and you can see how good he really is.

And in my opinion, if there was going to be a firing (and I don't think there necesarily will be) I think it should be Cashman. I don't think he is doing a terribly good job. Sure, they got Sheffield, A-Rod, Brown, and Vazquez in the offseason. But my God, I could convince most of those guys to come to the Yankees, and then send some very good young players (Soriano, Johnson) away to try and win it all this year. Who are Cashman's big pick ups? I mean, guys that you said, "Wow, he did a really good job getting that guy." Miguel Cairo? Tony Clark? Jose Contreres? Estaban Loaiza? I don't mean to toot my own GM's horn (wait...yes I do), but look at the guys Theo Epstein has reeled in the last two years. David Ortiz, Bill Mueller, Keith Foulke, Todd Walker, Mark Bellhorn, Pokey Reese, Curt Schilling, Kevin Millar...all of these guys have made significant contributions to the team. And he had to fight tooth and nail to get the big guys like Foulke and Schilling. All Cashman has to say is, "Here's a check." Like I said, I don't think he will get fired...but I wouldn't be surprised.

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Like I hated the Lakers yet admired Phil, I hate the Yankees and admire Joe (same thing goes for Philly and Andy)

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it made perfect sense to start Lofton (a high ball hitter) vs Lowe, (a sinker ball pitcher) and Sierra vs a one legged Schilling. And to leave Lofton's speed and bunting ability on the bench. Torre also put in Vasquez yesterday after he got shelled in Boston, rather than Loiaza who pitched great vs Boston. Let's face it..it wasn't his best coaching..He also mishandled Rivera all series. Ding dong the dynasty is dead

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it made perfect sense to start Lofton (a high ball hitter) vs Lowe, (a sinker ball pitcher) and Sierra vs a one legged Schilling. And to leave Lofton's speed and bunting ability on the bench. Torre also put in Vasquez yesterday after he got shelled in Boston, rather than Loiaza who pitched great vs Boston. Let's face it..it wasn't his best coaching..He also mishandled Rivera all series. Ding dong the dynasty is dead


I am not sure he 'mishandled Rivera all series'. I can't blame him for getting him in the game a little earlier in game 4 to try and shut the door. True, Torre didn't manage his best series ever, I didn't like the call to bring in Vasquez in game 7 but I will take my chances with Joe anytime. his instincts have been so on target so many times before. BTW, nothing is dead, don't be disappointed when the Yanks are right back in the playoffs next year too with a legit shot.


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Let's be honest, he didn't have much to work with in the way of pitching this year. It's hard to make the right moves when your middle relievers are awful.

Same could have been said about Francona, except our middle relief totally stepped up this series, so Francona looks like a genius.

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