Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:37 am
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I've been in more parts of America than anyone in this thread, so jump off...
It's all fun and games tili it's YOUR mom gets killed...... I'm just asking why the gun is necesary, and a few select insightful replies aside, none of you have answered the question.
good luck
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Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:54 am
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dimejinky99 wrote:
I've been in more parts of America than anyone in this thread, so jump off...
It's all fun and games tili it's YOUR mom gets killed...... I'm just asking why the gun is necesary, and a few select insightful replies aside, none of you have answered the question.
Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:07 am
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dimejinky99 wrote:
I've been in more parts of America than anyone in this thread, so jump off...
It's all fun and games tili it's YOUR mom gets killed...... I'm just asking why the gun is necesary, and a few select insightful replies aside, none of you have answered the question.
good luck
Well, I think sun devil and thodoks answered this rather nicely on the first page and perhaps people feel that it was summed up there rather tidily.
An alternate explanation of why people may not have directly answered that question, is perhaps they find it rather silly. It implies that if something is not a necessity it should be done away with. Should we ban everything that is not absolutely necessary?
Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:16 am
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i don't think banning guns is the answer at all but the cult of the gun is really odd to me. what is the root of the problem? paranoia? institutionalized mistrust? a huge ratio of people with severe mental problems who have access to said guns? the downfall of the "american dream"?
Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:18 am
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aprilfifth wrote:
I think if we could push a magic button and there be no more guns on earth most people would say to push the button. But that's not the case. The practicality of outlawing guns is simply not there. And enforcement...well short of stripping people of all their basic civil liberties, enforcement would be impossible. And that's among law-abiding citizens. I'm thinking it would be even more unlikely to get criminals to part with their weapons, thus leaving the law-abiding citizen more unsafe than at the beginning of the process. I understand the emotions behind wanting guns outlawed, but the real world application is simply not there.
This, right here.
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I think if we could push a magic button and there be no more guns on earth most people would say to push the button. But that's not the case. The practicality of outlawing guns is simply not there. And enforcement...well short of stripping people of all their basic civil liberties, enforcement would be impossible. And that's among law-abiding citizens. I'm thinking it would be even more unlikely to get criminals to part with their weapons, thus leaving the law-abiding citizen more unsafe than at the beginning of the process. I understand the emotions behind wanting guns outlawed, but the real world application is simply not there.
This, right here.
can't agree there. i'm for anything civil rightsswise. drugs, gay marriage, whatever else go ahead. guns are just something i see no point in and are actually harmful to other people. you can make any arguments you want about protection and whatnot but i can't help but see those arguments as ridiculous.
Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:27 am
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corky wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
aprilfifth wrote:
I think if we could push a magic button and there be no more guns on earth most people would say to push the button. But that's not the case. The practicality of outlawing guns is simply not there. And enforcement...well short of stripping people of all their basic civil liberties, enforcement would be impossible. And that's among law-abiding citizens. I'm thinking it would be even more unlikely to get criminals to part with their weapons, thus leaving the law-abiding citizen more unsafe than at the beginning of the process. I understand the emotions behind wanting guns outlawed, but the real world application is simply not there.
This, right here.
can't agree there. i'm for anything civil rightsswise. drugs, gay marriage, whatever else go ahead. guns are just something i see no point in and are actually harmful to other people. you can make any arguments you want about protection and whatnot but i can't help but see those arguments as ridiculous.
Why do you see those arguments as ridiculous?
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Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:29 am
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What ridiculous about wanting to be able to protect yourself? Surely you can argue that maybe firearms aren't the best way to do that as far as the risk involved, but whats improper about wanting to enjoy the most basic right?
Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:01 am
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simple schoolboy wrote:
What ridiculous about wanting to be able to protect yourself? Surely you can argue that maybe firearms aren't the best way to do that as far as the risk involved, but whats improper about wanting to enjoy the most basic right?
that's the thing i'm questionning: "the most basic right" to possess a firearm. isn't it a bit silly? what ridiculous about writing in the constitution that everyone has the fundamental right to possess a Kenny G cd for relaxation?
Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:25 am
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mastaflatch wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
What ridiculous about wanting to be able to protect yourself? Surely you can argue that maybe firearms aren't the best way to do that as far as the risk involved, but whats improper about wanting to enjoy the most basic right?
that's the thing i'm questionning: "the most basic right" to possess a firearm. isn't it a bit silly? what ridiculous about writing in the constitution that everyone has the fundamental right to possess a Kenny G cd for relaxation?
The most basic right I'm refering to here is self defense.
Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:33 am
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corky wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
aprilfifth wrote:
I think if we could push a magic button and there be no more guns on earth most people would say to push the button. But that's not the case. The practicality of outlawing guns is simply not there. And enforcement...well short of stripping people of all their basic civil liberties, enforcement would be impossible. And that's among law-abiding citizens. I'm thinking it would be even more unlikely to get criminals to part with their weapons, thus leaving the law-abiding citizen more unsafe than at the beginning of the process. I understand the emotions behind wanting guns outlawed, but the real world application is simply not there.
This, right here.
can't agree there. i'm for anything civil rightsswise. drugs, gay marriage, whatever else go ahead. guns are just something i see no point in and are actually harmful to other people. you can make any arguments you want about protection and whatnot but i can't help but see those arguments as ridiculous.
I don't think you read that right. The infringement of civil rights would be when the government came to COLLECT the guns that are already out there. The same way that the fourth amendment has been eviscerated over the past 40 years by the "war on drugs". It's not about the right to own guns. It's about the right to be free from unreasonable searches.
Read it again.
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Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:25 am
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we should just ban people who want to kill people... right guys? even better lets ban people. no that'll never work just kill people. if everyone's dead, there would be no gun violence right?
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Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:22 am
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dimejinky99 wrote:
It's beyond ridiculous now, you've changed every other aspect of your constitution, why is the gun still a reality in American life? it's disgusting, unnecessary and tragic on every level.
As an American I think we should ban Handguns. OOOHHH but i need my desert eagle .50 for "protection". Protection from what? are you being robbed by grizzly bears in the park every saturday?
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Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:40 pm
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allforcarrie wrote:
As an American I think we should ban Handguns. OOOHHH but i need my desert eagle .50 for "protection". Protection from what? are you being robbed by grizzly bears in the park every saturday?
so if you hate handguns so much, would you be willing to put a huge sign in your yard that said, "I HATE HANDGUNS. THIS HOME IS GUN-FREE!!"?
do you think this would make you more or less likely to be victimized by a violent criminal?
Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:49 pm
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Ban handguns. Oh, that's a brilliant idea. So you can still own rifles and submachine guns, just not handguns. With such great ideas I don't see why you guys aren't in charge of our country.
Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:52 pm
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tryinmorning wrote:
An alternate explanation of why people may not have directly answered that question, is perhaps they find it rather silly.
this.
as it is, i find this whole "i hate that, and don't understand why, people want guns...so let's ban them" line of reasoning to be incredibly juvenile. don't misunderstand; i enjoy debating an issue with someone who disagrees with my position. but employing such deficient reasoning makes me suspect that reasoned and informed debate will NEVER convince some of the posters in this thread who have so far appeared neither interested nor able to debate on such a level.
I think if we could push a magic button and there be no more guns on earth most people would say to push the button. But that's not the case. The practicality of outlawing guns is simply not there. And enforcement...well short of stripping people of all their basic civil liberties, enforcement would be impossible. And that's among law-abiding citizens. I'm thinking it would be even more unlikely to get criminals to part with their weapons, thus leaving the law-abiding citizen more unsafe than at the beginning of the process. I understand the emotions behind wanting guns outlawed, but the real world application is simply not there.
This, right here.
can't agree there. i'm for anything civil rightsswise. drugs, gay marriage, whatever else go ahead. guns are just something i see no point in and are actually harmful to other people. you can make any arguments you want about protection and whatnot but i can't help but see those arguments as ridiculous.
I don't think you read that right. The infringement of civil rights would be when the government came to COLLECT the guns that are already out there. The same way that the fourth amendment has been eviscerated over the past 40 years by the "war on drugs". It's not about the right to own guns. It's about the right to be free from unreasonable searches.
Read it again.
Exactly.
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