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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:25 am 
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Somali pirates vow retaliation after captain freed
By MALKHADIR M. MUHUMED and MOHAMED SHEIKH NOR, Associated Press Writers
Sun Apr 12, 9:17 pm ET

MOGADISHU, Somalia – Somali pirates on Monday vowed to retaliate for the deaths of three colleagues who were shot dead by U.S. Navy snipers hours before in a daring nighttime assault that freed a 53-year-old American captain.

The Navy Seals late Sunday rescued freighter Capt. Richard Phillips, who had been held by pirates on a lifeboat that drifted in the Indian Ocean for five days.

"Every country will be treated the way it treats us," said Abdullahi Lami, one of the pirates holding a Greek ship anchored in the pirate den of Gaan, a central Somali town.

"In the future, America will be the one mourning and crying," he told The Associated Press by telephone. "We will retaliate for the killings of our men."

He gave no details and it was not clear in what way the pirates could retaliate, though some fear they could take their revenge on the hundreds of other foreign nationals they hold on seized ships.

The rescue dealt a blow to pirates who regularly seize passing ships and hold them captive until multimillion dollar ransoms are paid. But it is unlikely to help quell the region's growing pirate threat, which has turned the Gulf of Aden and the waterways along Somalia's coast into some of the most dangerous shipping lanes on the planet.

Pirates currently hold more than a dozen foreign ships, most moored along the Horn of Africa nation's long coast, with about 230 foreign sailors from Russia to the Philippines.

The American rescue followed a similar operation Friday carried out by French navy commandos, who stormed a pirate-held sailboat, the Tanit, in a shootout at sea that killed two pirates and freed four French hostages. The French owner of the vessel was also killed in the assault.

Residents of the Somali town of Harardhere said tensions were growing there.

Abdullahi Haji Jama, who owns a clothing store in the town, said: "We fear that the pirates may retaliate against the foreign nationals they are holding."

But he also said people feared "any revenge taken by the pirates against foreign nationals could bring more attacks from the foreign navies, perhaps on our villages."

Vice Adm. Bill Gortney, commander of U.S. Naval Forces Central Command, said the American operation "could escalate violence in this part of the world, no question about it."

Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old self-proclaimed pirate, told The Associated Press that the three pirates' deaths were "a painful experience." Speaking from the pirate hub, Eyl, he added: "this will be a good lesson for us."

"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them," Habeb said. "Now they became our number one enemy," he said of U.S. forces.

So far, at least, it has been rare for Somali pirates to harm captive foreign crews.

Several years ago, a crew member of a Taiwanese fishing boat hijacked for six months was killed by pirates, but no reason was given but it appeared to be an isolated incident, according to Noel Choong, who heads the International Maritime Bureau's piracy reporting center in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. No reason was given but it appeared to be an isolated incident, he said.

Somalia has been engulfed in fighting and anarchy since the 1991 overthrow of Siad Barre, and remains today a country with no effective government, a nation ruled by tribal clans.

The piracy scourge appears to have evolved partly out of an attempt by Somali fishermen to protect their waters against illegal foreign trawlers who were destroying their livelihoods. Some of the vigilantes morphed into pirates, lured by the large profits they could win in ransoms.

Somalia's prime minister welcomed the U.S. Navy's operation Sunday.

"The Somali government wanted the drama to end in a peaceful way, but anyone who is involved in this latest case had the choice to use violence or other means," Abdulkhadir Walayo, the prime minister's spokesman, told The Associated Press. "Anyway, we see it will be a good lesson for the pirates or anyone else involved in this dirty business."

Pirates were defiant though, vowing the events would not stop them form seizing more ships.

One pirate vowed the events would not stop them from targeting more ships.

"The mere killing of three and capturing one will not make us change our mind," said one pirate holding a German ship anchored in the Somali town of Harardhere who refused to give his name. "We are determined to continue our business regardless of the recent killings and arrests."

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This is all Obama's fault.

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They did a damned good job getting these guy out alive.

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punkdavid wrote:
This is all Obama's fault.


Blame Jesus, he LET it happen.

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So what needs to be done to stop this? Arming these ships seems like a good idea. I'm producing a talk show tonight and this is what we've been talking about. It's been brought up that if these ships were armed then whenever they travel through a sovereign countrie's waters they'd have to stop at a port in that country for some sort of inspection. This obviously would make shipping expeditions longer and more expensive.

Also it seems like the owners of these companies are saying for some reason it's safer not to be armed. I haven't been presented with any clear indication as to why that is though.

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The media really need to invent a different word to describe people like this.

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My favorite part of this story is they vow to retaliate.

lol @ Pirates thinking they can take on the U.S. military.

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cutuphalfdead wrote:
So what needs to be done to stop this? Arming these ships seems like a good idea. I'm producing a talk show tonight and this is what we've been talking about. It's been brought up that if these ships were armed then whenever they travel through a sovereign countrie's waters they'd have to stop at a port in that country for some sort of inspection. This obviously would make shipping expeditions longer and more expensive.

Also it seems like the owners of these companies are saying for some reason it's safer not to be armed. I haven't been presented with any clear indication as to why that is though.


Can these shipping vessels really ams themselves to pose enough of a deterrent or a threat? Many of the attack ships have 60 cal machine guns which outmuscle the small arms that these boats would have. Many also use RPG's which can sink the vessel. What if the cargo is oil or something else extremely valuable or could cuase a huge disaster?

I"m not saying I"m against it, just pointing this out.


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given2trade wrote:
My favorite part of this story is they vow to retaliate.

lol @ Pirates thinking they can take on the U.S. military.


I'm sure their retaliation won't be on the US Navy ;)


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lol @ Somali Insurgents thinking they can take on the U.S. military.


FTFY

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I figured someone would do that.

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homersheineken wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
So what needs to be done to stop this? Arming these ships seems like a good idea. I'm producing a talk show tonight and this is what we've been talking about. It's been brought up that if these ships were armed then whenever they travel through a sovereign countrie's waters they'd have to stop at a port in that country for some sort of inspection. This obviously would make shipping expeditions longer and more expensive.

Also it seems like the owners of these companies are saying for some reason it's safer not to be armed. I haven't been presented with any clear indication as to why that is though.


Can these shipping vessels really ams themselves to pose enough of a deterrent or a threat? Many of the attack ships have 60 cal machine guns which outmuscle the small arms that these boats would have. Many also use RPG's which can sink the vessel. What if the cargo is oil or something else extremely valuable or could cuase a huge disaster?

I"m not saying I"m against it, just pointing this out.

I'm not an expert on this so it is entirely speculation, but I'd assume once on board the ship it's close quarter combat. In that case I'd assume that thet biggest gun isn't going to win, but whoever is the most effective tactically.

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cutuphalfdead wrote:
homersheineken wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
So what needs to be done to stop this? Arming these ships seems like a good idea. I'm producing a talk show tonight and this is what we've been talking about. It's been brought up that if these ships were armed then whenever they travel through a sovereign countrie's waters they'd have to stop at a port in that country for some sort of inspection. This obviously would make shipping expeditions longer and more expensive.

Also it seems like the owners of these companies are saying for some reason it's safer not to be armed. I haven't been presented with any clear indication as to why that is though.


Can these shipping vessels really ams themselves to pose enough of a deterrent or a threat? Many of the attack ships have 60 cal machine guns which outmuscle the small arms that these boats would have. Many also use RPG's which can sink the vessel. What if the cargo is oil or something else extremely valuable or could cuase a huge disaster?

I"m not saying I"m against it, just pointing this out.

I'm not an expert on this so it is entirely speculation, but I'd assume once on board the ship it's close quarter combat. In that case I'd assume that thet biggest gun isn't going to win, but whoever is the most effective tactically.


If you're on a boat that's getting shot at with large caliber bullets and can't fire back since your guns are out of range, you're going to surrender and lay down your guns.


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homersheineken wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
homersheineken wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
So what needs to be done to stop this? Arming these ships seems like a good idea. I'm producing a talk show tonight and this is what we've been talking about. It's been brought up that if these ships were armed then whenever they travel through a sovereign countrie's waters they'd have to stop at a port in that country for some sort of inspection. This obviously would make shipping expeditions longer and more expensive.

Also it seems like the owners of these companies are saying for some reason it's safer not to be armed. I haven't been presented with any clear indication as to why that is though.


Can these shipping vessels really ams themselves to pose enough of a deterrent or a threat? Many of the attack ships have 60 cal machine guns which outmuscle the small arms that these boats would have. Many also use RPG's which can sink the vessel. What if the cargo is oil or something else extremely valuable or could cuase a huge disaster?

I"m not saying I"m against it, just pointing this out.

I'm not an expert on this so it is entirely speculation, but I'd assume once on board the ship it's close quarter combat. In that case I'd assume that thet biggest gun isn't going to win, but whoever is the most effective tactically.


If you're on a boat that's getting shot at with large caliber bullets and can't fire back since your guns are out of range, you're going to surrender and lay down your guns.


Or we could give them some 60 cal machine guns and RPGs.

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cutuphalfdead wrote:
homersheineken wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
homersheineken wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
So what needs to be done to stop this? Arming these ships seems like a good idea. I'm producing a talk show tonight and this is what we've been talking about. It's been brought up that if these ships were armed then whenever they travel through a sovereign countrie's waters they'd have to stop at a port in that country for some sort of inspection. This obviously would make shipping expeditions longer and more expensive.

Also it seems like the owners of these companies are saying for some reason it's safer not to be armed. I haven't been presented with any clear indication as to why that is though.


Can these shipping vessels really ams themselves to pose enough of a deterrent or a threat? Many of the attack ships have 60 cal machine guns which outmuscle the small arms that these boats would have. Many also use RPG's which can sink the vessel. What if the cargo is oil or something else extremely valuable or could cuase a huge disaster?

I"m not saying I"m against it, just pointing this out.

I'm not an expert on this so it is entirely speculation, but I'd assume once on board the ship it's close quarter combat. In that case I'd assume that thet biggest gun isn't going to win, but whoever is the most effective tactically.


If you're on a boat that's getting shot at with large caliber bullets and can't fire back since your guns are out of range, you're going to surrender and lay down your guns.


Or we could give them some 60 cal machine guns and RPGs.


Like I said, I'm not against it. But who pays for this and the training? Also are these guys going to be sufficiently trained to use it? The pirates lives are spent training for this. On the boat, their lives are spent learning to control the boat. I'm not against it, per se, just that there's a lot of think about before arming untrained and then later on, undertrained seamen.


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I'm glad these dudes got what was coming to them. I still don't get how some fuckin' guys in a raft can take over a fucking cargo ship. Maybe this will teach them a lesson.

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homersheineken wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
homersheineken wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
homersheineken wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
So what needs to be done to stop this? Arming these ships seems like a good idea. I'm producing a talk show tonight and this is what we've been talking about. It's been brought up that if these ships were armed then whenever they travel through a sovereign countrie's waters they'd have to stop at a port in that country for some sort of inspection. This obviously would make shipping expeditions longer and more expensive.

Also it seems like the owners of these companies are saying for some reason it's safer not to be armed. I haven't been presented with any clear indication as to why that is though.


Can these shipping vessels really ams themselves to pose enough of a deterrent or a threat? Many of the attack ships have 60 cal machine guns which outmuscle the small arms that these boats would have. Many also use RPG's which can sink the vessel. What if the cargo is oil or something else extremely valuable or could cuase a huge disaster?

I"m not saying I"m against it, just pointing this out.

I'm not an expert on this so it is entirely speculation, but I'd assume once on board the ship it's close quarter combat. In that case I'd assume that thet biggest gun isn't going to win, but whoever is the most effective tactically.


If you're on a boat that's getting shot at with large caliber bullets and can't fire back since your guns are out of range, you're going to surrender and lay down your guns.


Or we could give them some 60 cal machine guns and RPGs.


Like I said, I'm not against it. But who pays for this and the training? Also are these guys going to be sufficiently trained to use it? The pirates lives are spent training for this. On the boat, their lives are spent learning to control the boat. I'm not against it, per se, just that there's a lot of think about before arming untrained and then later on, undertrained seamen.

I agree with your skepticism and it would need to be done right. Maybe a gradual phase. A lot of these merchant marines are graduates of places like the Mass Maratime Academy, which is already run in the military tradition of rank and order, and I'm sure they could be trained from the very beginning to engage in battles on the seas. If we start training the ones coming up eventually they will be replacing the ones we have now.

Someone on the radio show I worked on last night suggested something like air marshalls. Where at random, teams of federal, highly trained, marshalls would be aboard certain ships. It would be way too expensive to do this to every ship at all times, but if the pirates had no idea whether they were encountering a bunch of unarmed sailors or a group of highly trained soldiers, they might think twice. It's basically the same reasoning behind not having a gun ban. I don't own a gun, but potential burglars don't know that.

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punkdavid wrote:
This is all Obama's fault.


200 years without a pirate attack on an American ship. He's in office 3 months. How else do you explain it?

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