Post subject: 2009 Philadelphia Eagles - "We're still fine with our WR's"
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:52 pm
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First, Sheldon Brown...WTF. For once I agree with the Eagles organization 100%. For those who don't know, Sheldon wants a new deal (with 4 years left on his current deal) he feels "disrespected" and wants to be traded. I love the Eagles statement:
"It's very unfortunate and counterproductive that Sheldon has chosen to go public with his feelings about his situation. After thorough evaluation by himself and discussions with his family and agents, he chose to accept an extension of his rookie contract early that provided his family financial security for the rest of his life. It removed any concerns about health or performance that all other players in his draft class had to worry about. He has 4 years remaining on that contract and, after taking the signing bonus and his first 2 years of salary into account, we feel that Sheldon is being paid fairly. Focusing only on a player's salary for a given year is not a valid analysis.
"There have been league MVPs, Super Bowl champion quarterbacks, and perennial Pro Bowlers who have been in a similar situation. All of their teams have required them to wait until their contract expired or there was only 1 year remaining before any adjustment took place. It is only in the most extraordinary, in fact, less than a handful of circumstances in the last 10 years that any players 2 new years into a contract with 4 years left have been adjusted. We don't think this qualifies as an extraordinary circumstance.
"Sheldon's comments under the circumstances actually serve to devalue him in a trade if we were willing to consider it; which we are not."
As for the rest of the team. I have been fairly disappointed with the Eagles offseason but I love the offensive line moves.
~I would love to see a DE drafted or signed. The D ends were the only real weakness on the defense last year. They weren't bad but weren't exactly a bright spot either. Other than that I love the defense.
~Draft - I am tired of hearing that they need a "big back". They don't need a big back. They need a solid backup RB, preferably slasher who hits the hole quickly. Right now Westbrook is the only RB on the roster who can play. They need a backup TE. I am perfectly fine with Celek as the starting TE, thankfully LJ Smith is gone. Celek has great hands and runs great routes. Schobel isn't the answer as a backup. I'd like to see them draft someone who can be a good starting fullback, a center, a WR, a CB and a saftey.
~McNabb - I am fine with McNabb as the QB but I would absolutely not rework his deal.
~Boldin - If they can get him for a 3rd and something else I would do it in a heartbeat. There is no way they are going to give up a 1st or 2nd after trading for Peters.
I'm optimistic about this season but I have to see the roster come training camp.
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Philadelphia Eagles - "We're still fine with our WR's"
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:02 pm
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jimmac24 wrote:
~McNabb - I am fine with McNabb as the QB but I would absolutely not rework his deal.
im pretty sure thats what this was about
Quote:
"There have been league MVPs, Super Bowl champion quarterbacks, and perennial Pro Bowlers who have been in a similar situation. All of their teams have required them to wait until their contract expired or there was only 1 year remaining before any adjustment took place. It is only in the most extraordinary, in fact, less than a handful of circumstances in the last 10 years that any players 2 new years into a contract with 4 years left have been adjusted. We don't think this qualifies as an extraordinary circumstance.
as for brown, i kinda see both sides of it. i mean 2 years into a 6 year deal is way too soon to rework, but at the same time he's probably the best defensive player on the team. he's also seen the way they treated lito and dawkins and probably wants out anyway.
the line is looking solid. we need a back up RB big time. i dont care how big he is, he just needs to stay healthy and take 8-10 carries a game. the fullback we signed seems like a good fit and i like celek but itd be nice to have a more reliable back up. i dunno about boldin. i just read we are looking at ocho cinco and cincinatti isnt getting many good offers for him. id perfer boldin but it all depends on the price.
but to be honest its hard getting pumped for the birds this year. and ill admit most of it has to do with dawkins.
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Philadelphia Eagles - "We're still fine with our WR's"
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:24 pm
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I want absolutely no parts of Chad Johnson at all. I don't even want him handing out towels. No fucking way.
"but at the same time he's probably the best defensive player on the team."
I love Sheldon but I don't think he is the best defensive player. Bradley is better, Samuel is better, Mikell is better, I think Patterson and Bunkley are on the same level and possibly better. Brown is solid, he is a very good corner who is a great hitter and rarely gives up big plays. I still don't see how he can get anything re-worked for at least 2 years.
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Philadelphia Eagles - "We're still fine with our WR's"
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:25 pm
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Mecca wrote:
i wouldnt mind trading that 1st for boldin in the situation
I wouldn't either but I know how the Eagles roll, they won't do it.
I see it like you do. For picks 21 and 28 you get Peters and Boldin, I think anyone would take that. 2 potential pro bowl players for 2 late 1st round picks.
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Philadelphia Eagles - "We're still fine with our WR's"
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:29 pm
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jimmac24 wrote:
I want absolutely no parts of Chad Johnson at all. I don't even want him handing out towels. No fucking way.
"but at the same time he's probably the best defensive player on the team."
I love Sheldon but I don't think he is the best defensive player. Bradley is better, Samuel is better, Mikell is better, I think Patterson and Bunkley are on the same level and possibly better. Brown is solid, he is a very good corner who is a great hitter and rarely gives up big plays. I still don't see how he can get anything re-worked for at least 2 years.
i think brown is a better CB than samuel. and i think bradley is gonna be a star, but he's not there yet. the DTs is a good call though, they are both awesome.
if we can get boldin for the 21st first pick id do it in a heart beat. and really i wouldnt be shocked b/c trading first round picks is one of the eagels favorite things. but everything i hear is they are interested in johnson
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Philadelphia Eagles - "We're still fine with our WR's"
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:31 pm
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I really think the Bills snookered the Eagles with that trade. Peters is a big lazy guy who just wanted to get paid. He is very selfish and would rather he is invisible.
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Philadelphia Eagles - "We're still fine with our WR's"
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:38 pm
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warehouse wrote:
i think you are making excuses for the bills
the guy has one good year and wants to get paid top LT money, holds out, comes back and doesn't show up in games til the season is already down the shitter, still wants top LT money. I think I made a pretty fair assessment.
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Philadelphia Eagles - "We're still fine with our WR's"
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:41 pm
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Mecca wrote:
I really think the Bills snookered the Eagles with that trade. Peters is a big lazy guy who just wanted to get paid. He is very selfish and would rather he is invisible.
The Eagles LOVE him. The one guy who's opinion I respect greatly, Ray Didinger, loves Peters. A week before they traded for him he was on the radio saying how he would like them to try and trade for him, how he is one of the top 5 OT in football and how he can be as good as Orlando Pace. He said he had a down year but attributes it do his holdout and disappointment with his contract.
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Philadelphia Eagles - "We're still fine with our WR's"
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:42 pm
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Also, don't think they aren't making moves to try and get Shawn Andrews' head together. He now has his college teammate and his brother playing on the same line.
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Philadelphia Eagles - "We're still fine with our WR's"
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:49 pm
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jimmac24 wrote:
Mecca wrote:
I really think the Bills snookered the Eagles with that trade. Peters is a big lazy guy who just wanted to get paid. He is very selfish and would rather he is invisible.
The Eagles LOVE him. The one guy who's opinion I respect greatly, Ray Didinger, loves Peters. A week before they traded for him he was on the radio saying how he would like them to try and trade for him, how he is one of the top 5 OT in football and how he can be as good as Orlando Pace. He said he had a down year but attributes it do his holdout and disappointment with his contract.
He certainly has the tools, but he has never shown he can be consistent.
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Philadelphia Eagles - "We're still fine with our WR's"
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:53 pm
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I also completely agree with the Eagles 100%. Any NFL idiot could have told you that those long term contracts the players signed with the Eagles would be out-appreciated in a few years. You signed the contract, now STFU and play it out.
Post subject: Re: 2009 Philadelphia Eagles - "We're still fine with our WR's"
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:55 pm
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Mecca wrote:
warehouse wrote:
i think you are making excuses for the bills
the guy has one good year and wants to get paid top LT money, holds out, comes back and doesn't show up in games til the season is already down the shitter, still wants top LT money. I think I made a pretty fair assessment.
one good year? didnt he make 2 probowls? i thought i read that. anyway, everything ive heard from experts have made me think this is a good move. the negatives ive heard from him sound like they were a result of holding out.
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Philadelphia Eagles - "We're still fine with our WR's"
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:57 pm
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warehouse wrote:
Mecca wrote:
warehouse wrote:
i think you are making excuses for the bills
the guy has one good year and wants to get paid top LT money, holds out, comes back and doesn't show up in games til the season is already down the shitter, still wants top LT money. I think I made a pretty fair assessment.
one good year? didnt he make 2 probowls? i thought i read that. anyway, everything ive heard from experts have made me think this is a good move. the negatives ive heard from him sound like they were a result of holding out.
he made the pro bowl last year on reputation.
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Philadelphia Eagles - "We're still fine with our WR's"
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:59 pm
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if you get the good Chad Johnson for a 4th rounder and do some kind of 1 year deal he might be awesome. I just don't think I'd want him around more than one year.
If they can get a good TE and a good number 1 receiver though with the explosiveness of Deshaun Jackson... wow.
I just don't think I'd want to risk it with Ocho Cinco. Too bad Ronnie Brown just couldn't be the guy. Jackson is the perfect slot receiver.
Post subject: Re: 2009 Philadelphia Eagles - "We're still fine with our WR's"
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:00 pm
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Mecca wrote:
warehouse wrote:
Mecca wrote:
warehouse wrote:
i think you are making excuses for the bills
the guy has one good year and wants to get paid top LT money, holds out, comes back and doesn't show up in games til the season is already down the shitter, still wants top LT money. I think I made a pretty fair assessment.
one good year? didnt he make 2 probowls? i thought i read that. anyway, everything ive heard from experts have made me think this is a good move. the negatives ive heard from him sound like they were a result of holding out.
he made the pro bowl last year on reputation.
then that must have been one really good year!
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Philadelphia Eagles - "We're still fine with our WR's"
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:30 pm
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warehouse wrote:
Mecca wrote:
warehouse wrote:
Mecca wrote:
warehouse wrote:
i think you are making excuses for the bills
the guy has one good year and wants to get paid top LT money, holds out, comes back and doesn't show up in games til the season is already down the shitter, still wants top LT money. I think I made a pretty fair assessment.
one good year? didnt he make 2 probowls? i thought i read that. anyway, everything ive heard from experts have made me think this is a good move. the negatives ive heard from him sound like they were a result of holding out.
he made the pro bowl last year on reputation.
then that must have been one really good year!
it was.
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Post subject: Re: 2009 Philadelphia Eagles - "We're still fine with our WR's"
Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:36 pm
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Buffalohed wrote:
I must be the only one that likes Chad Johnson.
I like him a lot. I like watching him, I think he's a fun entertainer and a hell of a player when he's happy. He hasn't been happy in a couple years really. I don't want him to come in, sign a deal he dosen't really like, come in have a great year and then start making waves thats all. If I'm Mcnabb, I'll drive the moving van over. He hasn't had a number one outside of TO EVER and they went to the superbowl with him.
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