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Ok so who's going to tell the truth now??? And why hasn't Barry Bonds been asked to testify?? I guess blood doping isn't considered steriod use. *****************************************************
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2008206
NEW YORK -- Former Oakland Athletics sluggers Jose Canseco, Mark McGwire and Jason Giambi were among seven current and former baseball stars that a congressional committee plans to subpoena as soon as Wednesday to testify about steroids.
Curt Schilling , Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro and Frank Thomas also were asked last week to testify. Thus far, only Canseco and Thomas have said they were willing to appear.
"We hope subpoenas won't be necessary, but we are prepared to move forward with subpoenas [Wednesday] if we receive information that witnesses are not willing to appear voluntarily," David Marin, a spokesman for House Government Reform Committee chairman Rep. Tom Davis, said Tuesday.
The Baltimore Sun first reported on the subpoenas earlier Tuesday on its Web site.
According to reports, Barry Bonds, whose role in baseball's steroids scandal has been questioned for the last year, has not yet been subpoenaed.
Lawyers for the baseball commissioner's office and players' association attempted to negotiate a joint response to the committee, which last week invited the players and several officials to appear at the March 17 hearing.
Baseball commissioner Bud Selig, union head Donald Fehr, baseball executive vice president Sandy Alderson and San Diego general manager Kevin Towers also were asked to testify.
Giambi testified before a federal grand jury investigating steroids in 2003 and, according to a report by the San Francisco Chronicle in December, told the panel he had used steroids. Giambi has not denied the report but has refused to publicly discuss steroids, citing advice from his lawyers.
Giambi was granted limited immunity by prosecutors for his grand jury testimony. Because of the ongoing investigation, it is possible the Justice Department, the committee and Giambi might have to negotiate an immunity agreement before he would answer questions from the congressional panel.
If he is granted immunity and testifies publicly, the Yankees potentially could use any admissions as grounds to attempt to void his contract, which has four years and $82 million remaining.
In his book released last month, "Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits & How Baseball Got Big," Canseco admits using steroids and alleges that McGwire often injected the drugs with him. Canseco also said he introduced steroids to former Texas Rangers teammates, including Palmeiro.
Palmeiro, McGwire, Ivan Rodriguez, Bret Boone and others named by Canseco have denied using the performance-enhancing drugs.
Also Tuesday, the parents of two amateur players who committed suicide were added as witnesses.
Taylor Hooton, a cousin of former major leaguer Burt Hooton, was 17 when he hanged himself on July 15, 2003, and his parents think the suicide was due to depression that followed Taylor's end of steroid use. Rob Garibaldi, who played for the University of Southern California, was 24 when he shot himself on Oct. 1, 2002, and his parents also think his death was related to steroids.
"I believe it is important for the committee to hear from medical experts and impacted families on the scope of the steroid problem nationwide," Davis said.
Three medical experts also were added: Dr. Gary Wadler of the World Anti-Doping Agency, Dr. Nora Volkow of the National Institutes of Health and Dr. Kirk Brower of the University of Michigan Medical School.
"These witnesses have voluntarily agreed to share their expertise and experiences with the Committee, and I hope the players and league officials will follow suit," said Rep. Henry Waxman, the ranking Democrat on the committee.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
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Post subject: Re: Congress VS. baseball & steriods
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:16 pm
Supersonic
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Zutballs wrote:
Ok so who's going to tell the truth now??? And why hasn't Barry Bonds been asked to testify??
Maybe he and Sheffield aren't called because Congress doesn't want to grant them immunity from a possible perjury charge stemming from their grand jury testimony.
I'd be interested to see the reason for this session. I personally think it's because Congress wants to be assurred the current policy is adequate. Ever since it was announced, high profile players have come out against it (Frank Thomas, Mark Prior and Jeff Kent) saying it didn't go far enough. Sure enough, human growth hormones (some argue whether sufficient testing even exists) and greenies aren't currently tested for. Perhaps if these players testify along these lines, Congress will pin Selig and Feror for answers why the current doesn't address these problems.
Baseball enjoys anti-trust status, so the last thing its executives and players want to do is jeopardize that. I think it would behoove baseball to cooperate.
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Zutballs wrote:
Athletic Supporter wrote:
Why is Congress involved in this?
Steriods are illegal in the United States, just not baseball.
Bwhahaha! But they weren't illegal in baseball! MgGwire only did what everybody else was dojng! he just worked harder than the other players did! That's why he had more acne on his neck than a 15 year old boy who showers every 3 weeks!
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Is steriod use a health problem for today's youth? If so, then congress needs to hear testimony about it. Congress is asking more than just professional baseball players to testify.
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Zutballs wrote:
Is steriod use a health problem for today's youth? If so, then congress needs to hear testimony about it. Congress is asking more than just professional baseball players to testify.
They need to hear testimony if they're using it as information gathering on an existing bill. Why wouldn't they just act physicians and chemists,etc though?
Still want to know what the actual purpose of all this is, I haven't been able to find it.
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Athletic Supporter wrote:
Zutballs wrote:
Is steriod use a health problem for today's youth? If so, then congress needs to hear testimony about it. Congress is asking more than just professional baseball players to testify.
They need to hear testimony if they're using it as information gathering on an existing bill. Why wouldn't they just act physicians and chemists,etc though? Still want to know what the actual purpose of all this is, I haven't been able to find it.
As a former fan of MLB i don't care what the "purpose' of all this is. I just want these cheaters exposed and i want the game to be as clean as possible. This is a good step in the right direction to get it donw. Just think of how many less anti-baseball threads we will see after this is all taken care of.
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Athletic Supporter wrote:
Zutballs wrote:
Is steriod use a health problem for today's youth? If so, then congress needs to hear testimony about it. Congress is asking more than just professional baseball players to testify.
They need to hear testimony if they're using it as information gathering on an existing bill. Why wouldn't they just act physicians and chemists,etc though? Still want to know what the actual purpose of all this is, I haven't been able to find it.
Why did Congress here from Dee Snider when the Gore wanted to put labels on albums? They could of just asked psychotrists if lyrics effected kids. Fuck I dont know.
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Post subject: Re: Congress VS. baseball & steriods
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:48 pm
King David The Wicked
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Chris_H_2 wrote:
Zutballs wrote:
Ok so who's going to tell the truth now??? And why hasn't Barry Bonds been asked to testify??
Maybe he and Sheffield aren't called because Congress doesn't want to grant them immunity from a possible perjury charge stemming from their grand jury testimony.
I don't think anyone ever gets immunity from perjury. That kind of defeats the purpose. I mean, why would you say "here, come testify, and we won't punish you if you lie through your teeth the entire time."
As for the hearing, it's likely to be a dog and pony show that results in absolutely nothing, except embarrassment, which might make it worthwhile.
Post subject: Re: Congress VS. baseball & steriods
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:17 pm
Supersonic
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davo15 wrote:
Chris_H_2 wrote:
Zutballs wrote:
Ok so who's going to tell the truth now??? And why hasn't Barry Bonds been asked to testify??
Maybe he and Sheffield aren't called because Congress doesn't want to grant them immunity from a possible perjury charge stemming from their grand jury testimony.
I don't think anyone ever gets immunity from perjury. That kind of defeats the purpose. I mean, why would you say "here, come testify, and we won't punish you if you lie through your teeth the entire time."
As for the hearing, it's likely to be a dog and pony show that results in absolutely nothing, except embarrassment, which might make it worthwhile.
No, immunity from perjury for prior testimony in front of the grand jury. It happens all the time when the government wants an informant to flip in another case.
Post subject: Re: Congress VS. baseball & steriods
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:25 pm
King David The Wicked
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:31 pm Posts: 7610
Chris_H_2 wrote:
davo15 wrote:
Chris_H_2 wrote:
Zutballs wrote:
Ok so who's going to tell the truth now??? And why hasn't Barry Bonds been asked to testify??
Maybe he and Sheffield aren't called because Congress doesn't want to grant them immunity from a possible perjury charge stemming from their grand jury testimony.
I don't think anyone ever gets immunity from perjury. That kind of defeats the purpose. I mean, why would you say "here, come testify, and we won't punish you if you lie through your teeth the entire time."
As for the hearing, it's likely to be a dog and pony show that results in absolutely nothing, except embarrassment, which might make it worthwhile.
No, immunity from perjury for prior testimony in front of the grand jury. It happens all the time when the government wants an informant to flip in another case.
ahh i see. seems like it'd work for mob cases or something, but i doubt bonds or sheffield would basically admit to lying like that.
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