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 Post subject: Donald Rumsfeld & bible passages in briefings - GQ article
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 5:09 am 
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http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_9217


Feel free and merge this thread 4/5 if it fits somewhere else. Note: This article was not written by the "left wing" media. To quote Frank Rich today:

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This Sunday, GQ magazine is posting on its Web site an article adding new details to the ample dossier on how Donald Rumsfeld’s corrupt and incompetent Defense Department cost American lives and compromised national security. The piece is not the work of a partisan but the Texan journalist Robert Draper, author of “Dead Certain,” the 2007 Bush biography that had the blessing (and cooperation) of the former president and his top brass. It draws on interviews with more than a dozen high-level Bush loyalists.

Draper reports that Rumsfeld’s monomaniacal determination to protect his Pentagon turf led him to hobble and antagonize America’s most willing allies in Iraq, Britain and Australia, and even to undermine his own soldiers. But Draper’s biggest find is a collection of daily cover sheets that Rumsfeld approved for the Secretary of Defense Worldwide Intelligence Update, a highly classified digest prepared for a tiny audience, including the president, and often delivered by hand to the White House by the defense secretary himself. These cover sheets greeted Bush each day with triumphal color photos of the war headlined by biblical quotations. GQ is posting 11 of them, and they are seriously creepy. http://men.style.com/gq/features/topsecret

Take the one dated April 3, 2003, two weeks into the invasion, just as Shock and Awe hit its first potholes. Two days earlier, on April 1, a panicky Pentagon had begun spreading its hyped, fictional account of the rescue of Pvt. Jessica Lynch to distract from troubling news of setbacks. On April 2, Gen. Joseph Hoar, the commander in chief of the United States Central Command from 1991-94, had declared on the Times Op-Ed page that Rumsfeld had sent too few troops to Iraq. And so the Worldwide Intelligence Update for April 3 bullied Bush with Joshua 1:9: “Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be terrified; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God will be with you wherever you go.” (Including, as it happened, into a quagmire.)

What’s up with that? As Draper writes, Rumsfeld is not known for ostentatious displays of piety. He was cynically playing the religious angle to seduce and manipulate a president who frequently quoted the Bible. But the secretary’s actions were not just oily; he was also taking a risk with national security. If these official daily collages of Crusade-like messaging and war imagery had been leaked, they would have reinforced the Muslim world’s apocalyptic fear that America was waging a religious war. As one alarmed Pentagon hand told Draper, the fallout “would be as bad as Abu Ghraib.”


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 Post subject: Re: Donald Rumsfeld & bible passages in briefings - GQ article
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Reading this article was painful. It's very hard for me to understand how bible passages would be on cover pages for daily war briefings to the president. I think some of these people actually are insane.

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just from reading that little part you quoted it sounds like opportunism/pragmatism to the extreme on rumsfeld's part

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I skimmed through some of it, and its sad to think I came out of the same high school as that douche.

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Upon reflection, this is going to be a massive, massive story.

Note: At any time, Bush could have said "stop" so as far as I'm concerned, the buck stops with him on this.

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i hope not, for the potential laid out in that last line... i don't think it'll be even close to as big as abu grahib, though, even if it does get big.

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I don't see how it could be that big. However, this basically gives all extremists propaganda where they can point and say: crusade!

It boggles my mind how much Bush fucked up this world.

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given2trade wrote:
I don't see how it could be that big. However, this basically gives all extremists propaganda where they can point and say: crusade!


that's why i don't want it to get that big; i wonder how long before similar stories stop coming out on such a regular basis...

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Seriously? Nobody else finds this fucking crazy?

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That is disgusting, you're right.

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Seriously? Nobody else finds this fucking crazy?

meh. it's par for the course, just another in a long list of eggregiously bad decisions.

bush and company have so thoroughly exhausted my capacity to be shocked and appalled that nothing surprises me at this point.

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thodoks wrote:
given2trade wrote:
Seriously? Nobody else finds this fucking crazy?

meh. it's par for the course, just another in a long list of eggregiously bad decisions.

bush and company have so thoroughly exhausted my capacity to be shocked and appalled that nothing surprises me at this point.

i feel the same

also i'm not a person to get shocked by things in general or find things especially out of the ordinary

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dkfan9 wrote:
thodoks wrote:
given2trade wrote:
Seriously? Nobody else finds this fucking crazy?

meh. it's par for the course, just another in a long list of eggregiously bad decisions.

bush and company have so thoroughly exhausted my capacity to be shocked and appalled that nothing surprises me at this point.

i feel the same

also i'm not a person to get shocked by things in general or find things especially out of the ordinary


ooo you're so tough!

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you also don't like to change your mind even when presented with irrefutable evidence. you are in some ways very similar to bush.

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given2trade wrote:
you also don't like to change your mind even when presented with irrefutable evidence. you are in some ways very similar to bush.


but he doesn't need bible verses to keep him on course, so that's good

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given2trade wrote:
dkfan9 wrote:
thodoks wrote:
given2trade wrote:
Seriously? Nobody else finds this fucking crazy?

meh. it's par for the course, just another in a long list of eggregiously bad decisions.

bush and company have so thoroughly exhausted my capacity to be shocked and appalled that nothing surprises me at this point.

i feel the same

also i'm not a person to get shocked by things in general or find things especially out of the ordinary


ooo you're so tough!

not trying to prove anything, just stating a fact about my personality.

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dkfan9 wrote:
given2trade wrote:
dkfan9 wrote:
thodoks wrote:
given2trade wrote:
Seriously? Nobody else finds this fucking crazy?

meh. it's par for the course, just another in a long list of eggregiously bad decisions.

bush and company have so thoroughly exhausted my capacity to be shocked and appalled that nothing surprises me at this point.

i feel the same

also i'm not a person to get shocked by things in general or find things especially out of the ordinary


ooo you're so tough!

not trying to prove anything, just stating a fact about my personality.

proove it! :P

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windedsailor wrote:
dkfan9 wrote:
given2trade wrote:
dkfan9 wrote:
thodoks wrote:
given2trade wrote:
Seriously? Nobody else finds this fucking crazy?

meh. it's par for the course, just another in a long list of eggregiously bad decisions.

bush and company have so thoroughly exhausted my capacity to be shocked and appalled that nothing surprises me at this point.

i feel the same

also i'm not a person to get shocked by things in general or find things especially out of the ordinary


ooo you're so tough!

not trying to prove anything, just stating a fact about my personality.

proove it! :P

i mean if you really want me to

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dkfan9 wrote:
windedsailor wrote:
dkfan9 wrote:
given2trade wrote:
dkfan9 wrote:
thodoks wrote:
given2trade wrote:
Seriously? Nobody else finds this fucking crazy?

meh. it's par for the course, just another in a long list of eggregiously bad decisions.

bush and company have so thoroughly exhausted my capacity to be shocked and appalled that nothing surprises me at this point.

i feel the same

also i'm not a person to get shocked by things in general or find things especially out of the ordinary


ooo you're so tough!

not trying to prove anything, just stating a fact about my personality.

proove it! :P

i mean if you really want me to

lets see what would that entail?

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