Yeah, but on the flip side there's also this junk:

I like Vertigo..

You're Irish, you have to.

Well here's a strange thing..you'll only ever in any situation, find people who really hate U2 here and I mean really hate them..Bono in particular. I don't know a single U2 fan..yet they put on a show, and it sells out in minutes..Now I think a large part of the crowd are made up of Foreign travelling fans under the impression they play a better show in Dublin (they really don't..There are a few references to being 'at home' but that's it) yet still they always sell out it's weird.

There ye go..I like a lot of their songs but I couldn't be classed as a fan.

The only place I'd travel to see U2 would be the year 1990.

Then you time traveled to the wrong year. Their best album is yet to come.

But at least you could be the one to start an "ACHTUNG BABY [New Album] rumors etc" thread. After you finished off the prototype for "the internet" of course.

Then, a bunch of assholes could come along and talk about nothing for 144 pages.

I don't get you guys, what did you expect/want from that hread ?

Yeah - this will make it love or leave it. I personally LOVE lyrics w/ "yeah, yeah, yeah" - ie. Lithium by Nirvana and Man on the Moon by REM - 2 GREAT pop songs. It's a really hard thing to do to convey a feeling with a guttural lyric like that. It's what makes Alive such a special song "yeah, yeah, yeaaah!". I'm an Unemployable lover and one of the reasons is the "whoah uh ohhhh", can't get enough of it. Just a primal feeling I guess.

A good song also doesn't have to be played at every show. It sounds like they wanted to turn the song into a promo for the record which i wish they wouldn't do. They didn't do it for No Code, why now? And i don't have a problem with them trying to sell records, but when it changes how they make songs, i start having a problem with that.

A band like Radiohead worry about how to play songs live after the record is done so it doesn't change the integrity of the song.

a promo for the record? b/c they wanna play it live?

i don't know if integrity is the right word to use here. It's just a different approach. If PJ thinks that a good song is one they can authentically reproduce live it simply highlights a different set of priorities--that an 'authentic' song is one that is not a product of studio complications and manipulations. I'm not judging one approach as beter than the other--but what matters is whether or not the song is goo, and wondering if it'll be something they want to play live doesn't necesssarily affect that one way or the other

GOO!!!

If the ultimate goal is just to play the songs live, why even bother putting out a record, theoretically. I don't want them to turn into a touring band who happens to put out records just to get their name out there. To me, thinking of being able to play a song live night after night should not be in mind when in the studio making music. Give me a good record over how songs sound live any day.

I have to agree with this statement 100%

To me, there's value in having a song that only sounds good in a recording.

I agree with everything you are saying, but it seems the band has come to terms with the fact that they are a far more popular live act then they are a studio band. I'd love a masterpiece of an album with great depth and musical/lyrical cohesion, but we're not going to get that at this point. With the long hiatus ending in a quick album complete with Target sponsorship, televised snippets of songs, and a short tour, along with the rerelease of Ten, it seems like the band is not exactly a top priority to the members anymore.

Well done! This is the kind of response I expect from a (presumed) fan of YIELD.

I can totally get on board with this. There is this pretentious expectation of required lyrical depth for some reason. You know, the kind of lyrical depth that sends the Jamily (with their Jamily Hoodies on) in hoards to the coffee shops - with their wirelss iMacs, their $4 coffees, and their anti-corporate literature - to discuss the pain Vedder must have felt when writing such a deep lyric, obviously about recycling, the Great Pacific Sea Snail, Enron, etc. "I wonder if the Jamily Poster from the 5/14/98 show is reflective of that pain he is feeling in this song?"

Sometimes there is just a guttural feeling that is being expressed, like "Yeah Yeah Yeah!" or whatever and that's perfectly fine. Let the Jamily sit & expect 21st Century Western Progressive-era Poetry from their rock and roll albums if they want.

Exactly what i wished never happened with these guys....but its obvious all they care about at this point is $

evidently you didn't get the memo that in order to be a member of this board, you have to want the band to be anything BUT a rock and roll band who write rock songs

I agree. As much as I enjoy listening to PJ Bootlegs, studio versions of some songs are way better than live versions. For example, have ya tried listening to a recent version of Betterman lately on a bootleg? Ugh, all crowd noise/singing. Fun to be there at the time, but not fun to listen to.

In regards to album/song length,,,
while I love PJ's quick, tight tunes, I'm just not sure that I want a whole album full of them. But then again, I won't judge until I hear the record.