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 Post subject: Have they just run out of things to write about?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:17 pm 
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My take on the fixer....

ok music, horrible lyrics... but somehow, yes, it's decent.

But, let's look deeper. The lyrics are awful. Is this cause Bush is out of office? Basically, they have nothing to bitch about during the transition, so they write about how Obama will be "the fixer" and write the most terrible lyrics ever.

I still don't understand why they'd write a song sucking off Obama. It's just stupid.

But, to be fair, maybe they've just run out of political things to write about and are having a difficult time transitioning?


I mean The End is excellent lyrically. I sincerely hope the rest of album is similar to that. But, lacking the political aspect I could see some songs struggling as they find their new nitch...



Which will most likely be aimed at Obama in the next year or two as they realize he's a fraud too....

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perhaps they're just geting old and lazy.

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I'm pretty sure this song isn't about Obama...he's hardly a fixer of anything thus far. THat's an entirely different conversation though.

Ed's politically inspired songs were far from noteworthy. Two of the standout songs from the last albume were Life wasted and Comeback....songs themes about life and love...two themes Ed's very good at putting into words with music.

They should stick to life-affirmation, rebellion, oppression, injustice, love, lost love, betrayal, etc as themes and shy away from politics as those themes make for much better songs with deeper thoughts and more inciteful wordings.


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Life Wasted was about war and politics.

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Is the Fixer supposed to be Obama? The lyrics seem to point to the narrator of the song being the 'fixer'; as the verses show, the narrator's the one doing all the fixing. It's possible Eddie wrote a song from the POV of Obama, but I kind of doubt that. Also, Clinton was in office for the majority of their best work, so I don't know how applicable this theory is.

Are you saveuplife from synergy? If so, I remember alot of good discussions from synergy during the election.


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I'm pretty sure this song isn't about Obama...he's hardly a fixer of anything thus far. THat's an entirely different conversation though.

Ed's politically inspired songs were far from noteworthy. Two of the standout songs from the last albume were Life wasted and Comeback....songs themes about life and love...two themes Ed's very good at putting into words with music.

They should stick to life-affirmation, rebellion, oppression, injustice, love, lost love, betrayal, etc as themes and shy away from politics as those themes make for much better songs with deeper thoughts and more inciteful wordings.



I totally 100% agree.... except for the part about what The Fixer is about.

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Life Wasted was about war and politics.

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noaheb wrote:
vedderforpresident wrote:
Life Wasted was about war and politics.

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Are you saveuplife from synergy? If so, I remember alot of good discussions from synergy during the election.



Yep, I'm no longer welcome over there because now they charge to enter. I kinda hate them. Nice to read you again. ;)

As for your question, I really do think this is about Obama. Agree or disagree with his politics (which I disagree), I just think a song directed at praising a politician is generally a lot worse than a song questioning a politician.

I got to say if this is directed towards Obama, they did a complete 180 with Got Some... which kinda puts him down IMHO, or atleast questions him.

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this song's about Obama? i don't see the correlation at all. maybe someone read too much in the song title and Ed's political leanings, uh?

"they should write about this and that..." - seriously, i'd love this band to make a concept album or a kick-ass double album, etc. but they just don't listen to my advices. i keep on writing diatribes about "the gas in my tank" lyrics on forums and they keep on ignoring me and ed still sings that line live - i want them to remove "you are" and a bunch of other songs from RA and when i listen to my cd, fucking hell, those crappy songs are still there :x

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I really don't think this is about politics whatsoever. What in the lyrics makes you think that it is?

And if it is, at least it's more subtle than Bu$hleaguer.


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I do think this is a song about the end of the Bush era. That makes it tangentially about Obama. But this is essentially the positive, life affirming song you wanted them to write. Sometimes it's a hit, sometimes it's a miss.

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stip wrote:
I do think this is a song about the end of the Bush era. That makes it tangentially about Obama. But this is essentially the positive, life affirming song you wanted them to write. Sometimes it's a hit, sometimes it's a miss.

its a miss

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this song's about Obama? i don't see the correlation at all. maybe someone read too much in the song title and Ed's political leanings, uh?

"they should write about this and that..." - seriously, i'd love this band to make a concept album or a kick-ass double album, etc. but they just don't listen to my advices. i keep on writing diatribes about "the gas in my tank" lyrics on forums and they keep on ignoring me and ed still sings that line live - i want them to remove "you are" and a bunch of other songs from RA and when i listen to my cd, fucking hell, those crappy songs are still there :x




Ok, what's it about in your opinion?

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I do think this is a song about the end of the Bush era. That makes it tangentially about Obama. But this is essentially the positive, life affirming song you wanted them to write. Sometimes it's a hit, sometimes it's a miss.

i don't think it's a political song at all. it's an optimistic song. it's universal. and that's where lyrics can become trite, banal. what are the lines in it that makes you think this is a political cry of joy?

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Are you saveuplife from synergy? If so, I remember alot of good discussions from synergy during the election.



Yep, I'm no longer welcome over there because now they charge to enter. I kinda hate them. Nice to read you again. ;)

As for your question, I really do think this is about Obama. Agree or disagree with his politics (which I disagree), I just think a song directed at praising a politician is generally a lot worse than a song questioning a politician.

I got to say if this is directed towards Obama, they did a complete 180 with Got Some... which kinda puts him down IMHO.


I'd agree with the notion that a song praising a politician (or a specific politician), is more troublesome than one that questions. The best art always questions, as opposed to affirming. However, I can't blame the band for being more optimistic due to the outcome of the election, and that being reflected in the music. How could they not be? Someone they supported who is more in line with their political philosophies is in the White House. I'm sure they are happy about that, just as many Republicans were happy with a conservative in power and unnerved by an Obama presidency. If that comes through in the music, that's not a bad thing, per se. As I said, they made their best music during the years of Clinton, so who knows what'll happen.

I don't think the Fixer is about Obama; how do you figure it is? Unless they wrote it from the personal POV of Obama (which I doubt), it can't be, for the entire song is in first person. The narrator of the song is "the fixer." So how is the fixer Obama? It's a pretty big stretch.

I think overall their political songs have been hit and miss. When Eddie is more subtle with his wordplay, it sometimes yields his best songs (I'm thinking of Insignificance, maybe his greatest achievement, and Grievance, among others), because it plays to his strengths. Something like No More he doesn't really pull off that well.

As for synergy, I didn't know they started charging. Just over time, I was liking this place more, and that place far less, so I migrated. But good to hear from you again, nonetheless. Hope you've been doing well.


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stip wrote:
I do think this is a song about the end of the Bush era. That makes it tangentially about Obama. But this is essentially the positive, life affirming song you wanted them to write. Sometimes it's a hit, sometimes it's a miss.

i don't think it's a political song at all. it's an optimistic song. it's universal. and that's where lyrics can become trite, banal. what are the lines in it that makes you think this is a political cry of joy?



The I'll dig your grave, and especially the last lyric in each verse (the one that culminates with 'fight to get it back again'). But I'm basing this as much on comments Eddie's made about his headspace, and the fact that I see riot act and S/T as two different responses to the bush administration, even when the songs aren't about politics--so I'm likely to see backspacer as the third part of an unintentional trilogy--the despair, the anger, and the light at the end.

So I don't thik it's political in the way that bushleaguer is political. But somebody as politically active and engaged as Eddie is is likely to have that sigh of relief that came with the end of bush (which is far more important than a particular love of obama) color everything they do. I don't think Eddie could have written this song before bush was out of office. It would have came out as comatose.

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this song's about Obama? i don't see the correlation at all. maybe someone read too much in the song title and Ed's political leanings, uh?

"they should write about this and that..." - seriously, i'd love this band to make a concept album or a kick-ass double album, etc. but they just don't listen to my advices. i keep on writing diatribes about "the gas in my tank" lyrics on forums and they keep on ignoring me and ed still sings that line live - i want them to remove "you are" and a bunch of other songs from RA and when i listen to my cd, fucking hell, those crappy songs are still there :x




Ok, what's it about in your opinion?

it's about not letting stuff go out of hands and taking care of business.
it's as plain and simple as that.

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No code is about the rebirth stuff that you describe above (I wouldn't put it quite like that but I think I know where you're coming from). So are the parts of yield that aren't inspired by Daniel Quinn. Binaural has no real lyrical theme, and Riot Act and S/T are albums about living under Bush.

We'll see for backspacer

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