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MLB commissioner Bud Selig mulling pardon for hit king Pete Rose

BY Bill Madden
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Monday, July 27th 2009, 4:00 AM

COOPERSTOWN - Thanks to the behind-the-scenes lobbying from some of the most influential Hall of Famers, commissioner Bud Selig is said to be seriously considering lifting Pete Rose's lifetime suspension from baseball.

The tip-off that Selig may now be inclined to pardon baseball's all-time hit king was Hank Aaron's seemingly impromptu interview session with a small group of reporters in the lobby of the Otesaga Hotel on Saturday. In declaring for the first time that he would want an asterisk put on the achievements of any steroid cheats elected to the Hall of Fame, Aaron brought up Rose, who, in August of 1989, was given a lifetime ban for gambling on baseball, saying: "I would like to see Pete in. He belongs there."

It is no secret that Selig considers Aaron one of his closest friends and values his opinions over perhaps all others. It was also learned by the Daily News that in a meeting of the Hall of Fame's board of directors at the Otesaga later on Saturday, two of Rose's former teammates on the board, vice chairman Joe Morgan and Frank Robinson, also expressed their hope that Selig would see fit to reinstate Rose.

Said another Hall of Famer familiar with the situation: "I think a lot of the guys feel that it's been 20 years now for Pete, and would lean toward leniency and time served. If he had admitted it in the first place and apologized way back then, he'd probably be in the Hall by now."

According to another source, the behind-the-scenes lobbying process began five years ago, but stalled because Selig was still not satisfied that Rose was "reconfiguring" his life, as the late commissioner Bart Giamatti had instructed for him to do when he initially placed him on baseball's permanent ineligible list. In addition, the source said, Selig's conditions for any reinstatement would be stiff. Rose likely would need to make another public apology and he would be prohibited from managing.

If Selig does reinstate him, Rose then would become eligible for the Hall of Fame, but on the Veterans Committee ballot, as his 15 years on the Baseball Writers ballot expired during his time on the ineligible list. He would thus have to be elected by his peers, the 65 living members in the Hall of Fame, not all of whom agree with Aaron, Morgan and Robinson that Rose has done his time. It's hard to say if he would get the necessary 75% for election. "I know there are still guys who feel strongly against him," said one Hall of Famer, "and I don't know if that would change even if Selig clears him."

Nevertheless, it is beginning to look as if Rose will at least finally get Hall of Fame consideration, at the same time the Hall of Famers are taking an even harder stance on all the steroids cheats. "Believe me," said Reggie Jackson, to a couple of writers, "that little session Hank had with you guys was anything but impromptu. He wanted to get that out there. It was time."

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 Post subject: Re: Selig thinking about lifting lifetime ban on Pete Rose
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i bet he gets in


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 Post subject: Re: Selig thinking about lifting lifetime ban on Pete Rose
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75% is a lot. And there are plenty of HOFers that don't think he deserves it. Or at least that's what Buster Olney said.

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 Post subject: Re: Selig thinking about lifting lifetime ban on Pete Rose
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This reminds me, I did think it was kinda funny when I was reading over some highlights from Selig's annual press conference during the AS game previous that said something like "and he's still reviewing the case for Pete Rose's lifetime ban", as if the whole thing was like some 1000 page document he hadn't finished reading yet, and after this many years Bud still needed some more time to consider all the facts or something :roll: :haha:

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 Post subject: Re: Selig thinking about lifting lifetime ban on Pete Rose
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The high and mighty judges of morality...I mean "baseball writers" will never let him in.

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 Post subject: Re: Selig thinking about lifting lifetime ban on Pete Rose
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I wish he would think about lifting interleague play or "this one counts" instead of treading ground that's been trod a bazillion times. Mr. Hustle agreed to a permanent ban from the game to call off the hounds.

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bud selig is a knob.

that is all.

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 Post subject: Re: Selig thinking about lifting lifetime ban on Pete Rose
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it'll make lots of people in this city happy

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 Post subject: Re: Selig thinking about lifting lifetime ban on Pete Rose
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The high and mighty judges of morality...I mean "baseball writers" will never let him in.

No they won't, because he's no longer eligible to be on the writer's ballot. To get in he'd need to get in via veteran's committee and be voted in by 75% of the living hall of famers.

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 Post subject: Re: Selig thinking about lifting lifetime ban on Pete Rose
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Selig is a tool.... I dunno who is worse, Selig or Bettman hmmm

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 Post subject: Re: Selig thinking about lifting lifetime ban on Pete Rose
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Has Bud Selig ever thought of relieving Bud Selig from duty?

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 Post subject: Re: Selig thinking about lifting lifetime ban on Pete Rose
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wtfisaledbetter? wrote:
Selig is a tool.... I dunno who is worse, Selig or Bettman hmmm


they probably share a brain which would explain their stupidity

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knuckles of frisco wrote:
I wish he would think about lifting interleague play or "this one counts" instead of treading ground that's been trod a bazillion times. Mr. Hustle agreed to a permanent ban from the game to call off the hounds.


i agree with all of this

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 Post subject: Re: Selig thinking about lifting lifetime ban on Pete Rose
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I've never understood this. If you want to ban the man from managing, fine. But to not have the all-time leader in hits in the HoF just seems ridiculous. I don't even care if they put an asterick by his name. Whatever, just put him in there. 4200 hits is too huge an accomplishment. Even if Rose did agree to the ban, he's an important part of the game's history.

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I've never understood this. If you want to ban the man from managing, fine. But to not have the all-time leader in hits in the HoF just seems ridiculous. I don't even care if they put an asterick by his name. Whatever, just put him in there. 4200 hits is too huge an accomplishment. Even if Rose did agree to the ban, he's an important part of the game's history.



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 Post subject: Re: Selig thinking about lifting lifetime ban on Pete Rose
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I pretty much agree with what Buster Olney had to say about it. Total ambivalence. I can't deny he was one of the all time greats. But what he did put the integrity of the game on the line. Sure, juicers who did worse than him will make it in, but that doesn't mean he should get off. What he did was very wrong and very black and white. There isn't a grey area with this.

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aprilfifth wrote:
The high and mighty judges of morality...I mean "baseball writers" will never let him in.

No they won't, because he's no longer eligible to be on the writer's ballot. To get in he'd need to get in via veteran's committee and be voted in by 75% of the living hall of famers.

Don't try to confuse me with the facts.

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aprilfifth wrote:
The high and mighty judges of morality...I mean "baseball writers" will never let him in.

No they won't, because he's no longer eligible to be on the writer's ballot. To get in he'd need to get in via veteran's committee and be voted in by 75% of the living hall of famers.

Don't try to confuse me with the facts.

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edzeppe wrote:
Sandler wrote:
I've never understood this. If you want to ban the man from managing, fine. But to not have the all-time leader in hits in the HoF just seems ridiculous. I don't even care if they put an asterick by his name. Whatever, just put him in there. 4200 hits is too huge an accomplishment. Even if Rose did agree to the ban, he's an important part of the game's history.



Its the hall of fame, not the hall of history.


Pete Rose was a famous baseball player.

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flavdave wrote:
edzeppe wrote:
Sandler wrote:
I've never understood this. If you want to ban the man from managing, fine. But to not have the all-time leader in hits in the HoF just seems ridiculous. I don't even care if they put an asterick by his name. Whatever, just put him in there. 4200 hits is too huge an accomplishment. Even if Rose did agree to the ban, he's an important part of the game's history.



Its the hall of fame, not the hall of history.


Pete Rose was a famous baseball player.


I know. I was hoping this point would not be raised.


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