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Isaac Turner · **Posted:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:31 am

http://www.mercyforanimals.org/hatchery/

brutally sad... probably not unlike any standard pro-vegetarian propaganda etc

but watching it, and realizing the entire cultural practice/industry, it provokes again for me the question re an individual's morality versus a group's morality (i am presupposing the existence of morality)

like, i don't care if someone wants to be a vegetarian, but when they start spouting about how their choice will affect the greater good, and if everyone behaved/chose like they did, then a real difference would be made, i tend to throw up inside my mouth.

comparatively, if someone cites being a vegetarian for the simple reason of disagreeing with the practice of causing harm to another life force etc (e.g. some buddhists and hindus), this is a much more viable argument.

i'm curious the role of "groupthink", and the concept of a nation, or of even a culture, and when a practice is condoned that is relatively bad/immoral/heinous and viewed as such by other cultures (i.e. capital punishment)

i think morality matters. so when you are part of a group/culture/nation, even if you aren't actively engaging a practice, does mere membership/association count against you in the morality department- that is, do we have a responsibility to disengage or to disassociate ourselves from said group?

Anfarwoldeb · **Posted:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:54 am

Isaac Turner wrote:

that is, do we have a responsibility to disengage or to disassociate ourselves from said group?

To what extent?

dkfan9 · **Posted:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:47 am

is this the place to say i dont have any problems with capital punishment in the abstract. although it's execution leaves much to be desired (issues of racial disparities as well as people being executed and later being found innocent).

corduroy_blazer · **Posted:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:16 am

Isaac Turner wrote:

like, i don't care if someone wants to be a vegetarian, but when they start spouting about how their choice will affect the greater good, and if everyone behaved/chose like they did, then a real difference would be made, i tend to throw up inside my mouth.

comparatively, if someone cites being a vegetarian for the simple reason of disagreeing with the practice of causing harm to another life force etc (e.g. some buddhists and hindus), this is a much more viable argument.

What's the difference?

Anfarwoldeb · **Posted:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:39 am

corduroy_blazer wrote:

Isaac Turner wrote:

like, i don't care if someone wants to be a vegetarian, but when they start spouting about how their choice will affect the greater good, and if everyone behaved/chose like they did, then a real difference would be made, i tend to throw up inside my mouth.

comparatively, if someone cites being a vegetarian for the simple reason of disagreeing with the practice of causing harm to another life force etc (e.g. some buddhists and hindus), this is a much more viable argument.

What's the difference?

Preaching/self-praising and forcing your opinions on others vs. just being comfortable with your own lifestyle.

Isaac was right.

corduroy_blazer · **Posted:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:47 pm

Anfarwoldeb wrote:

corduroy_blazer wrote:

Isaac Turner wrote:

like, i don't care if someone wants to be a vegetarian, but when they start spouting about how their choice will affect the greater good, and if everyone behaved/chose like they did, then a real difference would be made, i tend to throw up inside my mouth.

comparatively, if someone cites being a vegetarian for the simple reason of disagreeing with the practice of causing harm to another life force etc (e.g. some buddhists and hindus), this is a much more viable argument.

What's the difference?

Preaching/self-praising and forcing your opinions on others vs. just being comfortable with your own lifestyle.

Isaac was right.

He mentioned nothing about forcing opinions on others. I saw it more as stating why one is personally something, compared to why one thinks other people should consider the "something" arguments. What's the difference? Why is one acceptable and one puke-worthy?

tyler · **Joined:** Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:15 pm **Posts:** 3875

I think it would only be right for the government to make the vegetarians eat meat. Don't they understand they are adversely affecting the livelyhood and health of thousands of farmers?

corduroy_blazer · **Posted:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:55 pm

tyler wrote:

I think it would only be right for the government to make the vegetarians eat meat. Don't they understand they are adversely affecting the livelyhood and health of thousands of farmers?

Don't those farmers realized they are adversely affecting the environment and lives of beings that can feel?

Buffalohed · **Posted:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:10 pm

LittleWing · **Joined:** Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:43 am **Posts:** 10694

Animals should be permitted to bring suit, with human beings as their representatives.

Human Bass · **Posted:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:38 pm

corduroy_blazer wrote:

tyler wrote:

I think it would only be right for the government to make the vegetarians eat meat. Don't they understand they are adversely affecting the livelyhood and health of thousands of farmers?

Don't those farmers realized they are adversely affecting the environment and lives of beings that can feel?

Don't you realize you have a prejudicial disdain for certain live of beings because you imagine they cant feel?

Do you see the way that tree bends, leaning out to the catch the sun's ray?!

corduroy_blazer · **Posted:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:39 pm

Human Bass wrote:

corduroy_blazer wrote:

tyler wrote:

I think it would only be right for the government to make the vegetarians eat meat. Don't they understand they are adversely affecting the livelyhood and health of thousands of farmers?

Don't those farmers realized they are adversely affecting the environment and lives of beings that can feel?

Don't you realize you have a prejudicial disdain for certain live of beings because you imagine they cant feel?

Do you see the way that tree bends, leaning out to the catch the sun's ray?!

Imagine?

Anfarwoldeb · **Posted:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:44 pm

corduroy_blazer wrote:

Anfarwoldeb wrote:

corduroy_blazer wrote:

Isaac Turner wrote:

like, i don't care if someone wants to be a vegetarian, but when they start spouting about how their choice will affect the greater good, and if everyone behaved/chose like they did, then a real difference would be made, i tend to throw up inside my mouth.

comparatively, if someone cites being a vegetarian for the simple reason of disagreeing with the practice of causing harm to another life force etc (e.g. some buddhists and hindus), this is a much more viable argument.

What's the difference?

Preaching/self-praising and forcing your opinions on others vs. just being comfortable with your own lifestyle.

Isaac was right.

He mentioned nothing about forcing opinions on others. I saw it more as stating why one is personally something, compared to why one thinks other people should consider the "something" arguments. What's the difference? Why is one acceptable and one puke-worthy?

The word 'spouting' was used.

Anfarwoldeb · **Posted:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:46 pm

corduroy_blazer wrote:

tyler wrote:

I think it would only be right for the government to make the vegetarians eat meat. Don't they understand they are adversely affecting the livelyhood and health of thousands of farmers?

Don't those farmers realized they are adversely affecting the environment and lives of beings that can feel?

They wouldn't have lived at all without those farmers.

corduroy_blazer · **Posted:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:48 pm

Anfarwoldeb wrote:

corduroy_blazer wrote:

tyler wrote:

I think it would only be right for the government to make the vegetarians eat meat. Don't they understand they are adversely affecting the livelyhood and health of thousands of farmers?

Don't those farmers realized they are adversely affecting the environment and lives of beings that can feel?

They wouldn't have lived at all without those farmers.

They wouldn't have existed, either.

corduroy_blazer · **Posted:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:48 pm

Anfarwoldeb wrote:

corduroy_blazer wrote:

Anfarwoldeb wrote:

corduroy_blazer wrote:

Isaac Turner wrote:

like, i don't care if someone wants to be a vegetarian, but when they start spouting about how their choice will affect the greater good, and if everyone behaved/chose like they did, then a real difference would be made, i tend to throw up inside my mouth.

comparatively, if someone cites being a vegetarian for the simple reason of disagreeing with the practice of causing harm to another life force etc (e.g. some buddhists and hindus), this is a much more viable argument.

What's the difference?

Preaching/self-praising and forcing your opinions on others vs. just being comfortable with your own lifestyle.

Isaac was right.

He mentioned nothing about forcing opinions on others. I saw it more as stating why one is personally something, compared to why one thinks other people should consider the "something" arguments. What's the difference? Why is one acceptable and one puke-worthy?

The word 'spouting' was used.

Walk away.

dkfan9 · **Posted:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:51 pm

this thread's going places. i still like my post the best. it has a good pun.

LittleWing · **Joined:** Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:43 am **Posts:** 10694

I don't think we should be able to evict rats out of our houses. Because they feel pain.

corduroy_blazer · **Posted:** Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:56 pm

LittleWing wrote:

I don't think we should be able to evict rats out of our houses. Because they feel pain.

BRILLIANT!

LittleWing · **Joined:** Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:43 am **Posts:** 10694

corduroy_blazer wrote:

LittleWing wrote:

I don't think we should be able to evict rats out of our houses. Because they feel pain.

BRILLIANT!

I know right!

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