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Bathgate66 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:14 pm

Did Ed participate in these ?
If not ( what I have heard ) why not ?

Vitalogy1994 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:17 pm

He definitely participated in some form...he sang back-up on I'm the Ocean and Peace & Love. But my guess is that at this point in their existance, the band needed a bit of a break from Ed, and maybe vise-versa.

warehouse · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:21 pm

he was probably in therapy after the crazy broad drove into his house while they were jammin w/ neil

digster · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:22 pm

As far as I know, he was not there. He had some personal issues going on at the time, so it was the rest of the guys and Neil. Great album.

Neil, Ed, Brendan O'Brien and Jack Irons all did Merkin Ball around the same time.

evenslow · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:24 pm

Epic/Sony wouldn't allow his voice to be front and center on any of the songs b/c then it would be too Pearl Jam-y. The band basically had to act as a backing band without promoting the record as anything to do with Pearl Jam.

That's why, if you look at the physical CD (a crazy thought these days I know) you'll see "PJ" in flames around the perimeter, kind of disguised.

It's also why we got a separate release that is official PJ, Merkin Ball.

Bathgate66 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:29 pm

warehouse wrote:

he was probably in therapy after the crazy broad drove into his house while they were jammin w/ neil

yeah Wiki eluded to this but i hadnt heard any details,

thanks

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Young said he traveled to Seattle to record the record for a "challenge."[11] He said, "Recording Mirror Ball was like audio vérité, just a snapshot of what's happening. Sometimes I didn't know who was playing. I was just conscious of this big smouldering mass of sound."[11] Young called Pearl Jam drummer Jack Irons "unbelievable."[11] He stated that he "played his ass off on every take at every session," and added, "I can't say enough good things about him."[11] Pearl Jam vocalist Eddie Vedder was not around much for the recording sessions.[12] Vedder explained that he was "in the midst of a pretty intense stalker problem," adding that "leaving the house wasn't the easiest thing to do."[12] Vedder would refer to the issue in the song "Lukin" from Pearl Jam's 1996 album, No Code.[13] Pearl Jam guitarist Stone Gossard said that Mirror Ball "came at a time when we needed it, that Neil thought we were a band that would be good to make a record with. He probably felt sorry for us. He made it all right for us to be who we were. He's not taking his career so seriously that he can't take chances. Suddenly, our band seemed too serious."[12]

evenslow · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:32 pm

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Young said he traveled to Seattle to record the record for a "challenge."[11] He said, "Recording Mirror Ball was like audio vérité, just a snapshot of what's happening. Sometimes I didn't know who was playing. I was just conscious of this big smouldering mass of sound."[11] Young called Pearl Jam drummer Jack Irons "unbelievable."[11] He stated that he "played his ass off on every take at every session," and added, "I can't say enough good things about him."[11] Pearl Jam vocalist Eddie Vedder was not around much for the recording sessions.[12] Vedder explained that he was "in the midst of a pretty intense stalker problem," adding that "leaving the house wasn't the easiest thing to do."[12] Vedder would refer to the issue in the song "Lukin" from Pearl Jam's 1996 album, No Code.[13] Pearl Jam guitarist Stone Gossard said that Mirror Ball "came at a time when we needed it, that Neil thought we were a band that would be good to make a record with. He probably felt sorry for us. He made it all right for us to be who we were. He's not taking his career so seriously that he can't take chances. Suddenly, our band seemed too serious."[12]

love the references to Jack. miss that hombre.

EllisEamos · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:04 pm

maybe i'm way off base here, but i get the impression that jack has to work harder than other drummers... like he's an overachiever. not that he's less talented or not as good as say Dave or Matt, but that in his mind he has/had to outdo them and that's infectious to the rest of the band and the music they made. looking at interviews you'd get quotes like stone's above, "too serious" from when dave was there and then when jack was behind the kit they could "be themselves" and then only a few albums later the band is quoted as saying "writing songs is so easy for matt..."

just thinking out loud here.

mick7184 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:16 pm

evenslow wrote:

Epic/Sony wouldn't allow his voice to be front and center on any of the songs b/c then it would be too Pearl Jam-y. The band basically had to act as a backing band without promoting the record as anything to do with Pearl Jam.

That's why, if you look at the physical CD (a crazy thought these days I know) you'll see "PJ" in flames around the perimeter, kind of disguised.

It's also why we got a separate release that is official PJ, Merkin Ball.

Sony is such a bunch of douchebags, I mean how degrading to the rest of the band to say it's ok if you guys are on the album, no one knows or gives a shit who you are anyway, but if Ed is on it then all of a sudden people will know it's PJ.

Didnt they do a similar thing when Ed was doing work with Pete Townshend? Making Townshend refer to him as "Special Guest" on the album and stuff like that. I remember watching PT saying how Eddie's record company "wasnt keen" on his participation in it being publicized.

Jaymz82 · **Joined:** Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:15 pm **Posts:** 336

EllisEamos wrote:

maybe i'm way off base here, but i get the impression that jack has to work harder than other drummers... like he's an overachiever. not that he's less talented or not as good as say Dave or Matt, but that in his mind he has/had to outdo them and that's infectious to the rest of the band and the music they made. looking at interviews you'd get quotes like stone's above, "too serious" from when dave was there and then when jack was behind the kit they could "be themselves" and then only a few albums later the band is quoted as saying "writing songs is so easy for matt..."

just thinking out loud here.

So what you're saying here is that Jack was PJ's Newsted?? :lol:

evenslow · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:33 pm

Jaymz82 wrote:

that picture is rad.

"Okay, Jason this time we need something that says, "Badass."

Perfect!"

mick7184 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:41 pm

Jaymz82 wrote:

EllisEamos wrote:

maybe i'm way off base here, but i get the impression that jack has to work harder than other drummers... like he's an overachiever. not that he's less talented or not as good as say Dave or Matt, but that in his mind he has/had to outdo them and that's infectious to the rest of the band and the music they made. looking at interviews you'd get quotes like stone's above, "too serious" from when dave was there and then when jack was behind the kit they could "be themselves" and then only a few albums later the band is quoted as saying "writing songs is so easy for matt..."

just thinking out loud here.

So what you're saying here is that Jack was PJ's Newsted?? :lol:

Newstead looks like Lyle Lovett in this picture.

jimbojones1138 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:28 pm

well first and foremost this was a neil young album... not pearl jam. according to "shakey" ny's biography it said that he had the songs all worked out and was initially supposed to record this album with crazy horse...crazy horse even rehearsed many of the songs, i definately remember them playing act of love w neil...than he dropped the bomb on ch that he will be recording w pj...and he was really excited to be playing with pj...

i dont recall the stalker issues being the issue here...although i know sony/epic wouldnt allow any mention of pearl jam as the backup band due to copyrights...

i always thought that it had the right amount of ed because it was a ny album...looking back on ny's catalogue...did he ever have any other special guest sing w him on his albums? him solo, so im not talking about csn&y...if not that makes mirrorball even more special

EllisEamos · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:13 pm

Jaymz82 wrote:

EllisEamos wrote:

maybe i'm way off base here, but i get the impression that jack has to work harder than other drummers... like he's an overachiever. not that he's less talented or not as good as say Dave or Matt, but that in his mind he has/had to outdo them and that's infectious to the rest of the band and the music they made. looking at interviews you'd get quotes like stone's above, "too serious" from when dave was there and then when jack was behind the kit they could "be themselves" and then only a few albums later the band is quoted as saying "writing songs is so easy for matt..."

just thinking out loud here.

So what you're saying here is that Jack was PJ's Newsted?? :lol:

i don't know metallica history, so if you (1) you can make sense i what i wrote... and (2) think its the same situation.

then okay.

Beef · **Posted:** Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:09 am

mick7184 wrote:

evenslow wrote:

Epic/Sony wouldn't allow his voice to be front and center on any of the songs b/c then it would be too Pearl Jam-y. The band basically had to act as a backing band without promoting the record as anything to do with Pearl Jam.

That's why, if you look at the physical CD (a crazy thought these days I know) you'll see "PJ" in flames around the perimeter, kind of disguised.

It's also why we got a separate release that is official PJ, Merkin Ball.

Sony is such a bunch of douchebags, I mean how degrading to the rest of the band to say it's ok if you guys are on the album, no one knows or gives a shit who you are anyway, but if Ed is on it then all of a sudden people will know it's PJ.

Didnt they do a similar thing when Ed was doing work with Pete Townshend? Making Townshend refer to him as "Special Guest" on the album and stuff like that. I remember watching PT saying how Eddie's record company "wasnt keen" on his participation in it being publicized.

I am pretty sure it had more to do with Pearl Jam being signed to Sony and only allowed to produce albums for them.

digster · **Posted:** Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:12 am

Beef wrote:

I am pretty sure it had more to do with Pearl Jam being signed to Sony and only allowed to produce albums for them.

That was probaby part of it, but I'm sure Sony wasn't aching to give away money to other labels, considering an album labeled as being performed by "Neil Young with Pearl Jam" would sell a hell of alot more than an album labeled as "Neil Young."

Beef · **Posted:** Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:23 am

digster wrote:

Beef wrote:

I am pretty sure it had more to do with Pearl Jam being signed to Sony and only allowed to produce albums for them.

That was probaby part of it, but I'm sure Sony wasn't aching to give away money to other labels, considering an album labeled as being performed by "Neil Young with Pearl Jam" would sell a hell of alot more than an album labeled as "Neil Young."

It wouldn't be part of it, it would be all of it. Pearl Jam was signed to Sony for a certain number of albums, pure and simple. It is why Sony was able to get them to do a greatest hits, Pearl Jam had one more album in their contract but didn't want to record for Sony anymore so they authorised RVM to end the contract.

cutuphalfdead · **Posted:** Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:30 am

Beef wrote:

digster wrote:

Beef wrote:

I am pretty sure it had more to do with Pearl Jam being signed to Sony and only allowed to produce albums for them.

That was probaby part of it, but I'm sure Sony wasn't aching to give away money to other labels, considering an album labeled as being performed by "Neil Young with Pearl Jam" would sell a hell of alot more than an album labeled as "Neil Young."

It wouldn't be part of it, it would be all of it. Pearl Jam was signed to Sony for a certain number of albums, pure and simple. It is why Sony was able to get them to do a greatest hits, Pearl Jam had one more album in their contract but didn't want to record for Sony anymore so they authorised RVM to end the contract.

tell him steve dave!

dannyschmanny · **Posted:** Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:20 am

EllisEamos wrote:

maybe i'm way off base here, but i get the impression that jack has to work harder than other drummers... like he's an overachiever. not that he's less talented or not as good as say Dave or Matt, but that in his mind he has/had to outdo them and that's infectious to the rest of the band and the music they made. looking at interviews you'd get quotes like stone's above, "too serious" from when dave was there and then when jack was behind the kit they could "be themselves" and then only a few albums later the band is quoted as saying "writing songs is so easy for matt..."

just thinking out loud here.

from all interviews and things i've seen, Jack just really loved playing and loved music, but there was a maturity level with him that wasn't present in the band prior. Dave wasn't really anything to do with the seriousness, but it seems that just everything was compiling into this ball of tension and seriousness for them with the popularity, feeling they had to live up to a specific image, plus all the other problems. Jack coming on the scene helped them as a mediator to communicate with one another in a healthy way again or for the first time...and it sounds like seeing Neil and how he approached things helped them lighten up and start to get back to making music for the joy of it.

Isaac Turner · **Posted:** Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:40 pm

I'm the Ocean is an INCREDIBLE feat

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