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Brett Rattner filmed an interview with Michael days before he died..it's the most relaxed & revealing fun just hanging out thing i've ever seen of him..it's in two parts..well worth a watch.. part one
part two
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Saw this today. It's pretty amazing for what it is. It shows him in a way we've never seen him before which is work mode, really together and seriously down to business. I'm a lifelong MJ fan and the only thing that got me about this was he's in rehearsal mode, like he's watching everyone else and what they're doing, not giving anything like he would give during a real gig, but constantly watching the dancers and musicians. He's painfully perfectionist about everything, and I know this footage wasn't even meant to ever be seen by us, but the finished product would have been incredible. These gigs would have been something really special.. I recommend this to anyone with even a passing interest.
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PROVE IT and around and around and around.. an endless argument. One you'll never win 'cos he was proved innocent. Unless you got some proof we never heard about? No/ leave it alone then.
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dimejinky99 wrote:
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PROVE IT and around and around and around.. an endless argument. One you'll never win 'cos he was proved innocent. Unless you got some proof we never heard about? No/ leave it alone then.
you know it in your heart. I don't have to prove anything.
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dimejinky99 wrote:
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PROVE IT and around and around and around.. an endless argument. One you'll never win 'cos he was proved innocent. Unless you got some proof we never heard about? No/ leave it alone then.
No, he wasnt. There is a big difference between being Proven Innoncent, and Not being proven guilty.
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edzeppe wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
:lol:
PROVE IT and around and around and around.. an endless argument. One you'll never win 'cos he was proved innocent. Unless you got some proof we never heard about? No/ leave it alone then.
No, he wasnt. There is a big difference between being Proven Innoncent, and Not being proven guilty.
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Patrick Bateman wrote:
edzeppe wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
:lol:
PROVE IT and around and around and around.. an endless argument. One you'll never win 'cos he was proved innocent. Unless you got some proof we never heard about? No/ leave it alone then.
No, he wasnt. There is a big difference between being Proven Innoncent, and Not being proven guilty.[/quote
I agree he was not proven guilty as it relates to criminal liability/punishment.
However, that A.) doesnt mean he was proven innocent (the only point of my post, but you know that and just feel like instigating, so ill play for a minute)
B.) Not being proven guilty does not legally require an individual to surrender their personal opinion, or their right to express that opinion. Therefore, regardless of the legal results, fitzy, or anyone else can still believe he is a pedophile.
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edzeppe wrote:
Patrick Bateman wrote:
edzeppe wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
:lol:
PROVE IT and around and around and around.. an endless argument. One you'll never win 'cos he was proved innocent. Unless you got some proof we never heard about? No/ leave it alone then.
No, he wasnt. There is a big difference between being Proven Innoncent, and Not being proven guilty.[/quote
I agree he was not proven guilty as it relates to criminal liability/punishment.
However, that A.) doesnt mean he was proven innocent (the only point of my post, but you know that and just feel like instigating, so ill play for a minute)
B.) Not being proven guilty does not legally require an individual to surrender their personal opinion, or their right to express that opinion. Therefore, regardless of the legal results, fitzy, or anyone else can still believe he is a pedophile.
And he wasn't proven guilty.
So, can i call fitzy a child molester? He wasn't proven innocent either.
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Me too. Those rules don't seem to apply in trial by media though. Not anywhere I guess. The same media that milked his death as much as they possibly could. It's a good movie. That's all I wanted to say.
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well, not being found guilty does not mean there is even a majority of the evidence on the side of the person on trial and found not guilty, just that there is enough there to create reasonable doubt as to their guilt. i mean, i'm no legal expert, but i'm fairly sure that's accurate.
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dkfan9 wrote:
well, not being found guilty does not mean there is even a majority of the evidence on the side of the person on trial and found not guilty, just that there is enough there to create reasonable doubt as to their guilt. i mean, i'm no legal expert, but i'm fairly sure that's accurate.
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I thought people were innocent until proven otherwise?
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Court of public opnion will always be split on this one and that's the court that matters ultimately these days, regardless of the legal result. Would that it were otherwise.
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