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Yes I know there are other Star Trek threads out there but they all suck. This is the greatest TV show of all time and it deserves its own thread, dammit.
Some of my favorite episodes (by season):
Season 1: Where No One Has Gone Before, Encounter at Farpoint Pt.2 Season 2: Time Squared, Q Who Season 3: The Survivors Season 4: Clues, Data's Day Season 5: Darmok, Cause and Effect, The Inner Light Season 6: Time's Arrow Pt.2, Chain of Command Pt.2, The Chase Season 7: All Good Things... 1 & 2
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You referenced Chain of Command Part 2 in one of my all time favorite Buffalohed rants, even if it was directed towards me.
From the God, Free Will, etc thread:
Buffalohed wrote:
Has anyone seen the episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation called Chain of Command? Part II, actually.
I was going to type this out myself, but I found a summary from Wikipedia that says it much better:
Quote:
In the part of the story set in Cardassia, Picard is tortured by his interrogator Gul Madred (David Warner), who at first seeks information about the Federation's defense plans for Minos Korva, but instead soon tries to warp Picard's perception of reality by forcing him to see five lights where there are only four lights shining upon him. At the conclusion of his torture, Picard finds that he wants so badly to see five lights that he actually sees five. Fortunately just before he admits that, Cardassian officers come to return Picard to the United Federation of Planets as per a surrender agreement Jellico imposed. Triumphant, Picard shouts his seemingly unbowed defiance to his torturer, but later privately admits to his counselor his moment of weakness. The sequence recalls the exchange between Winston and O'Brien in Orwell's 1984 in which Winston sees O'Brien display five fingers, when there are in fact only four.
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thodoks wrote:
That clip really makes me want to watch TNG. I used to watch it with my mom sometimes when I was a kid, but of course I didn't get it. I do remember the episode with Q, though. I loved that one, even as a kid.
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You guys may laugh at this, but I would say I got about as much of my morality, worldview, and political ideology from Star Trek as most people get from religion. Anyone who thinks this show is just empty sci-fi is sadly mistaken.
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Orpheus wrote:
Buffalohed wrote:
This is the greatest TV show of all time
Not that it means anything to you, but I know at least 3 other people who fully agree with me on this, one of them being my brother and two others who are very close friends.
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this is off-topic but...
I was curious and looked up a list of greatest TV shows, and I found this. Clearly sitcoms are by far the most popular kind of TV show, but I thought it would be interesting to look at the list minus sitcoms, pure comedy, and "non-fiction" shows:
5. The Sopranos (HBO) 14. Hill Street Blues (NBC) 19. thirtysomething (ABC) 20. St. Elsewhere (NBC) 22. ER (NBC 24. Law & Order (NBC) 26. The Twilight Zone (CBS) 31. The Defenders (CBS) 33. Playhouse 90 (CBS) 36. The Fugitive (ABC) 37. The X-Files (Fox) 39. The Rockford Files (NBC) 40. Gunsmoke (CBS) 41. Buffy the Vampire Slayer (WB/UPN) 43. Bonanza (NBC) 45. Twin Peaks (ABC) 46. Star Trek: The Next Generation (syndicated)
Only 17 shows on that list aren't sitcoms or news shows. In any case, if you narrow it down further to sci-fi, which is obviously the least popular TV genre represented here, you get:
26. The Twilight Zone (CBS) 37. The X-Files (Fox) 46. Star Trek: The Next Generation (syndicated)
See, this looks right to me. I can certainly see both of those shows being considered the greatest sci-fi show ever ahead of TNG. Either way, it's hard to deny that TNG is one of the greatest sci-fi shows in history. Of course if you don't like sci-fi, you won't give a shit about it. Personally I don't like dramas or sitcoms or comedies so I don't give a shit about 90% of that list. But hey.
1. Seinfeld (NBC) 2. I Love Lucy (CBS) 3. The Honeymooners (CBS) 4. All in the Family (CBS) 5. The Sopranos (HBO) 6. 60 Minutes (CBS) 7. Late Show with David Letterman (CBS) 8. The Simpsons (Fox) 9. The Andy Griffith Show (CBS) 10. Saturday Night Live (NBC) 11. The Mary Tyler Moore Show (CBS) 12. The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson (NBC) 13. The Dick Van Dyke Show (CBS) 14. Hill Street Blues (NBC) 15. The Ed Sullivan Show (CBS) 16. The Carol Burnett Show (CBS) 17. Today (NBC) 18. Cheers (NBC) 19. thirtysomething (ABC) 20. St. Elsewhere (NBC) 21. Friends (NBC) 22. ER (NBC 23. Nightline (ABC) 24. Law & Order (NBC) 25. M+A+S+H (CBS) 26. The Twilight Zone (CBS) 27. Sesame Street (PBS) 28. The Cosby Show (NBC) 29. Donahue (syndicated) 30. Your Show of Shows (NBC) 31. The Defenders (CBS) 32. An American Family (PBS) 33. Playhouse 90 (CBS) 34. Frasier (NBC) 35. Roseanne (ABC) 36. The Fugitive (ABC) 37. The X-Files (Fox) 38. The Larry Sanders Show (HBO) 39. The Rockford Files (NBC) 40. Gunsmoke (CBS) 41. Buffy the Vampire Slayer (WB/UPN) 42. Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In (NBC) 43. Bonanza (NBC) 44. The Bob Newhart Show (CBS) 45. Twin Peaks (ABC) 46. Star Trek: The Next Generation (syndicated) 47. Rocky and His Friends (ABC) 48. Taxi (ABC/NBC) 49. The Oprah Winfrey Show (syndicated) 50. Bewitched (ABC)
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I dont think Orpheus has a problem with it being SciFi. In fact, i think 2001 is his favorite movie.
However, when there are shows out there like The Wire that say something, are well acted and entertaining, to call TNG the best show of all time is going to illicit a LOL WUT with glasses on. TNG is a good show, no doubt, but it aged quickly in terms of visuals, and the acting/writing can be insanely hokey at times.
Also, the lack of the Wire and Homicide on the list of great shows totally invalidates the list
It was weirdly smart for the era. Stuck out like a sore thumb. The ever expanding number of channels and niche marketing has resulted in a lot more experimenting with format....shows that don't pander to the middle, that explore darker or more character-driven stories, or that take continuity and ongoing storylines to an art form. Looking backwards through those glasses, it ends up looking like a half-step. But when it arrived, this series was really on its own.
A few things about it have aged pretty badly....and a few of the actors involved really were cringe-worthy. But Patrick Stewart is fucking great no matter what he does.
I will always wonder where Star Trek could have gone if Ron Moore had been given Voyager, instead of being excluded almost completely from it. DS9 had really started to point in an interesting direction for the franchise by the end, and so much of what came after it wasn't worth watching.
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You guys may laugh at this, but I would say I got about as much of my morality, worldview, and political ideology from Star Trek as most people get from religion. Anyone who thinks this show is just empty sci-fi is sadly mistaken.
both are made up stories, congratulations on your hipocracy
Buffalohed wrote:
Orpheus wrote:
Buffalohed wrote:
This is the greatest TV show of all time
Not that it means anything to you, but I know at least 3 other people who fully agree with me on this, one of them being my brother and two others who are very close friends.
well christ on a craker, you and your three other people could probably solve all the worlds ills if you just put your heads together
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It's not a bad show and I actually thought the movies from the era were good too, but it wouldn't even come to mind if someone asked me to name the best tv shows ever.
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Well that's just me. I like serious things. Serious movies, serious TV shows, serious music, serious books, serious conversations.
I wouldn't list a single sitcom or comedy or similar type of show in my top 20 favorite TV shows, except for Spongebob. My other favorite cartoon is also very serious - Samurai Jack.
So maybe it shouldn't come as a surprise that this is my favorite show, and also that I hate the original series.
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