i just paid 2.10 a gallon for the cheapest gas availiable..

WHAT THE FUCK!! enough is enough already..when is anyone gonna do somethin about this..congress is so worried about that half dead lady..fuckin bush is probably profiting with all his texas and saudi oil buddies (i dont know how true his connection with the oil companies are..but what the hell..he aint steppin up)..i remember i paid 88 cents a gallon when clinton was in office..

its only a matter of time till its $3 a gallon..

what the fuck can we do about this??

Probably nothing, unfortunately. We are their bitches. Time to shop for a hybrid.

The cheapest gas anywhere between Chicago and Milwaukee is 2.15, and it was 2.17 on Monday. Fuel efficient cars are looking better and better.

It's only gonna get worse. You know what Peak Oil is? Do some research, we're payin' nothing compared to the rest of the world. When they say blood for oil in Iraq, it couldn't be more true of a statement. That's the ONLY reason we are in Iraq to secure there finite natural resources. Many troops comming back from there know it as well. Look at where are bases are set up, right along those precious pipelines.

Alright, here's something I've been thinking about for a long time. We haven't developed alternative fuels because it will be a long and costly process. But if we treat the development of hydrogen cells as a sort of new Manhattan Project and develop the technogoly first, we'll be able to sell it to the rest of the world and make a huge profit, while not having to worry about fucking oil ever again. That way, environmentally-concerned leftists are happy as well as capitalist conservatives. Why haven't we started to do this?

*starts it*

Seriously though, if the assclowns in the oil industry made this their chief concern we would have it in a matter of years, develop a monopoly on it for a short time (boosting our economy), and we (and eventually the world) would never have to worry about oil EVER AGAIN.

and I just paid $3.30 for a fucking 16 oz. latte.

Keep in mind that adjusted for inflation, gas is still much cheaper than it was 25 years ago:



I still haven't paid over $2/gallon in Idaho, which is odd.

With Hydrogen Fuel Cells you still need oil to get that energy. It's just a form of storing energy. It's like bringing another user to the table. It won't help solve our dependence on oil. The way we use energy in this country cannot be substituted by anything. That's just how it is IMO.

It could be because hydrogen fuel cells are a pipe dream and some important people know it. When it comes to energy, it's all about the total energy expenditure in the entire process.

Oil must be pumped, transported, refined, transported, and then purchased, and then you get to the efficiency of the engine itself. But all of those other steps required energy expenditure that gets added into the equation as a whole to figure out the overall efficiency of the process. Not to mention keeping tabs on the type of fuels used to run the refinery, the tankers, and the electrical power plants that run the refineries, etc...

I heard a long interview about a year ago with a guy who detailed the probable energy and pollutant costs of developing and building hydrogen fuel cells, collecting the hydrogen from sea-water or whatever other source is proposed, and all of the other costs. He concluded that IF a working hydrogen fuel cell could be developed that would be small enough and yet powerful enough to run an automobile, and cheap enough for people to afford, it would still be less energy efficient on the whole than a modern internal combustion engine run on gasoline.

There's a lot more to this than the fuel cell itself.

Why Hydrogen is no solution: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... swers.html

Oh balls! Well screw hydrogen, there's got to be another source of energy that we can harness. Oil and gasoline suck.

I don't see how America as a whole can complain about gas prices. The vast majority of the world pays far more than we do and they aren't driving monster SUVs in tropical climates or fully loaded, extended cab pickups that have never had a single thing in their truck bed.

It's $2.20 here, that's still better than what my relatives in England are paying. It's about $6 a gallon there.

$2.40+ here for the cheap stuff. Damn tourists. Nevada is one of the most expensive states.

A lot of the rest of the world has much better public transportation than the US as well. I'd kill for bullet trains criss-crossing the country. It would make things so much easier.

A lot of the rest of the world is much more crammed together, making it more cost effective to have mass transit systems.

On another note: why not use nuclear power to create the hydrogen? Nuke power doesn't make any of them pesky green house gasses. Oooh, and we could store the waste in Florida, solving two problems at the same time!

Is that a joke? That's exactly what is happening, President Bush's administration is going full steam ahead with hydrogen at the expensive of other alternatives. The budget for hydrogen research is enormous right now, and has been since he took office.



This is absolutely false. You can generate hydrogen from just about anything else - natural gas, coal, ethanol, wind, solar, hydro, etc. In fact, reforming methane (natural gas) is by far the most prevalent method of producing hydrogen. I haven't heard of anybody that is producing hydrogen from oil.



While it's true that hydrogen isn't going to solve any energy problems, you have to realize that that's not the point of hydrogen to begin. Hydrogen is a means of storing energy, just like a battery. That's it. Is it a pipe dream? In a way, that's exactly what it is. Hydrogen can be an answer to a lot of our problems, but this is far into the future when we have clean energy production to begin with. It makes a lot of sense to develop this technology and make it mature because when (if) the generation side of the equation catches up, we'll have a complete package. Clean generation of energy is not the complete answer, just as the method of storing it in hydrogen isn't. Sites like the link posted earlier in this thread do a terrible injustice to hydrogen because they look at it in the short-term, which is not its aim. Yes, if all of the cars in the US switched to hydrogen-fuelling, there would not be a benefit. But that's not the point.

That said, President Bush is devoting way too much money and effort to hydrogen when the other piece of the picture is probably much more important and difficult to answer. Not because we don't have answers to the other side of the issue, we do (efficiency and renewables), but because society has also shown to be the most ignorantly stubborn and slow-moving body that could be imagined.



Anyway, I think higher gas prices are the best thing that could happen to the world. I hope they continue to go upwards. Add to the equation that natural gas prices look to be continuing their upward trend as well, and things are looking bright for society.

I paid 4 bucks for 4 16 oz bottles of water and a 2 freakin bucks for a gallon of milk.

Before the war and when Clinton was in office...it was a goddamn nickel...plus you had change left over for a cup of coffe and a pack of cigarettes.