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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:47 pm 
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How Much Is Left? The Limits of Earth's Resources, Made Interactive
This Web-only article is a special rich-media presentation of the feature, "How Much Is Left?," which appears in the September 2010 issue of Scientific American.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... ch-is-left

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 Post subject: Re: Peak Everything
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Judging by the history of oil, we're probably underestimating how much of everything we have left.

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 Post subject: Re: Peak Everything
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dkfan9 wrote:
Judging by the history of oil, we're probably underestimating how much of everything we have left.


regarding oil you might be totally insane. Global peak oil most likely will be a problem in our lifetimes


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 Post subject: Re: Peak Everything
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Veddar10 wrote:
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Judging by the history of oil, we're probably underestimating how much of everything we have left.


regarding oil you might be totally insane. Global peak oil most likely will be a problem in our lifetimes

That's what was said in 1920 (a US government official proclaimed peak oil was soon to come). And it was a widespread view in the 70s (maybe it was Geoffrey Kemp, or I might be wrong on that, but "This Time the Wolf is Here" is a Foreign Affairs piece from that time period that predicts peak oil within ~20 years). I'm not saying it's impossible, or even improbable. I'm just saying that I believe most predictions of upcoming peak minerals are going to be wrong, and this history of alaramism should be kept in mind when evaluating peak theories. The predominance of peak theories versus "we have enough" theories in opinion pieces makes sense though. Lets be honest, a "we have enough" piece would be pretty boring to read unless the issue were oil, where the peak crowd is so large and prominent.

Sorry if this post reads poorly or I'm being unclear; five beers and clear, concise language do not tend to mix.

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 Post subject: Re: Peak Everything
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I strongly believe there will be some sort of Malthusian disaster during my lifetime and I'm trying to come to grips with that. I just hope it's not too drawn out and painful.

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I strongly believe there will be some sort of Malthusian disaster during my lifetime and I'm trying to come to grips with that. I just hope it's not too drawn out and painful.

It's funny because I was thinking about this deeply during the past couple of months. I hope it's not true, but it just feels like we are going to see a major world event in our lifetime. Maybe I should just stop watching shit like "The Road" and "Book of Eli".

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 Post subject: Re: Peak Everything
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Orpheus wrote:
I strongly believe there will be some sort of Malthusian disaster during my lifetime and I'm trying to come to grips with that. I just hope it's not too drawn out and painful.

I've pretty much felt this way since I was a kid.


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E.H. Ruddock wrote:
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I strongly believe there will be some sort of Malthusian disaster during my lifetime and I'm trying to come to grips with that. I just hope it's not too drawn out and painful.

It's funny because I was thinking about this deeply during the past couple of months. I hope it's not true, but it just feels like we are going to see a major world event in our lifetime. Maybe I should just stop watching shit like "The Road" and "Book of Eli".


Population will at least double by 2050. It's just a matter of time. Hard to think about.

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 Post subject: Re: Peak Everything
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What is Malthusian? And population is going to double by 2050? Source? I can't see countries with an expanding middle class expanding in population themselves (since greater wealth tends to = lower pop. rate, to my knowledge)

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Im pretty sure We'll encounter a nuclear event of some scale in our lifetime. Probably terrorist based but maybe on an international combat level. It'll probably be about oil too I reckon.

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What is Malthusian? And population is going to double by 2050? Source? I can't see countries with an expanding middle class expanding in population themselves (since greater wealth tends to = lower pop. rate, to my knowledge)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_catastrophe

As far as population growth, we are at approximately 6.8 billion right now. Most estimates I've seen put it at 8-10 billion by 2050.

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E.H. Ruddock wrote:
dkfan9 wrote:
What is Malthusian? And population is going to double by 2050? Source? I can't see countries with an expanding middle class expanding in population themselves (since greater wealth tends to = lower pop. rate, to my knowledge)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_catastrophe

As far as population growth, we are at approximately 6.8 billion right now. Most estimates I've seen put it at 8-10 billion by 2050.

I'm not such a believer in doomsday predictions, Malthusian included. Science and economics can work surprisingly well together to avert catastrophe (see the Green Revolution of the 60s/70s for an example).

Yeah I thought 8-10 was the general prediction as well.

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Im pretty sure We'll encounter a nuclear event of some scale in our lifetime. Probably terrorist based but maybe on an international combat level. It'll probably be about oil too I reckon.

Yeah, I think terror-based nuclear attack is the most probable type. The logic of Mutually Assured Destruction makes interstate nuclear warfare improbable in my eyes (although a state like North Korea, I just can't be sure). The main security problem of state level nuclear proliferation is that some of these weapons could make it into terrorist hands, and the idea of a nuclear domino theory heightens this possibility (though this nuclear domino theory is fairly succinctly discredited here).

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 Post subject: Re: Peak Everything
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The link isn't working for me. Did the article discuss peak credit at all?

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peak xnxx usage

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 Post subject: Re: Peak Everything
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peak xnxx usage

at what age is the average male expected to reach this?

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Yeah, 10 billion is what I read. Seems kind of conservative to me though. I am thinking it will be an epidemic over anything else.

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stupid weak ass fuckking dipshit link get a new server you scientific faggotfucks

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 Post subject: Re: Peak Everything
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Orpheus wrote:
I strongly believe there will be some sort of Malthusian disaster during my lifetime and I'm trying to come to grips with that. I just hope it's not too drawn out and painful.
I completely disagree with this. Human ingenuity, especially in the past century or two, have almost always found a way to avoid all the doomsayers' disasters. Guys like Jenner, Salk and Sabin put critical dents into childhood diseases, Norman Borlaug averted the cries of food shortages, and so on. We're already seeing developments in electric transportation that could put the whole peak oil debate to rest. Things have never been better than they are now, and they'll get even better in the future.


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Green Habit wrote:
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I strongly believe there will be some sort of Malthusian disaster during my lifetime and I'm trying to come to grips with that. I just hope it's not too drawn out and painful.
I completely disagree with this. Human ingenuity, especially in the past century or two, have almost always found a way to avoid all the doomsayers' disasters. Guys like Jenner, Salk and Sabin put critical dents into childhood diseases, Norman Borlaug averted the cries of food shortages, and so on. We're already seeing developments in electric transportation that could put the whole peak oil debate to rest. Things have never been better than they are now, and they'll get even better in the future.

I'm in this crowd too.

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E.H. Ruddock wrote:
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at what age is the average male expected to reach this?

I'm not sure, but I think aggregate use went down after given2trade found a lady.

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