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Fair Hearing for Breast Implants?
Friday, February 25, 2005
By Steven Milloy


Science 'Integrity' Award a Laugh Again
July 02, 2004
A Food and Drug Administration advisory panel is again preparing to review the science concerning the safety of silicone breast implants (search).

Though the scientific data will, once again, point to the safety of silicone implants, it’s not clear that the science alone will drive the panel’s decision.

In October 2003, an FDA advisory panel had voted to approve silicone breast implants, but trial lawyer-backed activists succeeded in creating a circus of the process. In 2004, the FDA decided to delay approval of silicone breast implants pending the collection of more safety data. The new data are in and, to no one’s surprise, silicone implants once again appear to be safe.

In an October 2004 study in the American Journal of Epidemiology, National Cancer Institute researchers detected no conclusive evidence that silicone implants caused connective tissue disorders (search) -- the allegation that ignited the silicone scare 20 years ago.

Researchers reported in a December 2004 study published in Breast Cancer Research that mastectomy patients with silicone breast implants had similar, if not slightly less, sickness and death than mastectomy (search) patients with other types of breast implants. National Cancer Institute-funded researchers reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association in January 2004 that, while breast implants may slightly lower the sensitivity of mammography, “there is no evidence that this results in more advanced disease at diagnosis compared with women without augmentation.”

All the new data reaffirm a 1999 report from the National Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Medicine concluding that available medical and scientific evidence does not associate SBIs with cancer and other systemic diseases. But as is often the case where activists and personal injury lawyers are involved, having the science on your side isn’t always enough.

Consider, for example, the October 2004 National Cancer Institute study. Although the study reported no credible link between silicone breast implants and disease, the spin the anti-implant activists are placing on this study is to demand larger and even longer-term research. The anti-implant activists seemingly would like to propagate the notion that science is incapable of establishing that the implants are safe -- a position entirely consistent with anti-implant crusader Sybil Niden Goldrich (search) who once asserted on PBS’ television show Frontline, “The science? The devil with science. It doesn’t matter anymore.”

Goldrich’s group, Command Trust Network (search), circulated a memo to congressional staffers in October 2004, claiming that in the January 2004 mammography study, “researchers have found that breast implants can result in undetected cancer.”

This, of course, flies in the face of the actual study result indicating that women with silicone implants are not disadvantaged in terms of breast cancer diagnoses. Now, in the weeks leading up to the FDA advisory panel meeting, opponents seem to be stepping up efforts to mischaracterize the science on silicone implants.

Last week, the National Organization of Women, National Women’s Health Network, National Research Center for Women and Families, and the National Council of Women’s Organizations began circulating a letter to get senators to oppose the FDA advisory committee’s endorsement of silicone breast implants and any forthcoming FDA approval.

Trying to exploit the Vioxx (search) controversy, the letter shrieks in bold italics, “It is imperative to tell the [FDA] Commissioner that silicone breast implants should not be approved for general use until there is evidence that they are safe for long-term use.”

The letter, however, fails to mention that the study subjects in the October 2004 study were followed for over 12 years, on average.

“Barely one year after rejecting silicone breast implants, the FDA is again considering an application to approve these same devices,” claims the letter.

But the FDA never rejected silicone breast implants. The agency simply requested more long-term safety data. The October 2004 study’s average 12-year follow-up among more than 7,000 women would seem to fill the bill -- as do several other epidemiologic studies with maximum follow-up times ranging from 23 years to 30 years. The claim that there aren’t long-term data supporting the safety of SBIs is flat-out wrong.

I’m not surprised by the distortions in the letter pushed by NOW and the other groups -- NOW is known to have had ties to personal injury lawyers involved in the multi-billion dollar breast implant litigation.

A final concern for women who want the option of silicone breast implants is the chairman slated to head the FDA advisory committee, Michael Choti. Not only did Dr. Choti vote against implants in the October 2003 meeting, he has since authored an article entitled, “Against Approving the Use of Silicone Implants” in the Fall 2003/Winter 2004 issue of the journal for the American Society of Breast Disease that fully chronicles his personal slants and prejudices.

As the panel chairman will run the meeting and set the tone, it would seem that someone less biased than Dr. Choti should be entrusted with this key position.

Anti-implant activists and their trial lawyer allies don’t want silicone breast implants back on the market as FDA approval would essentially expose the 20-year campaign against implants as being based on junk science. The desperate activists and lawyers will, it seems, say and do anything to avoid that outcome.

Steven Milloy publishes JunkScience.com and CSRwatch.com, is adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute, and is the author of Junk Science Judo: Self-defense Against Health Scares and Scams (Cato Institute, 2001).


Steven Milloy doesn't write for what I'd call, reputable sources, but this should be a fun piece to kick off the debate. Silicone breast implants .... is it anti-woman to deny them the choice or is it pro-woman to keep them off the market?

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I have no problem with it.


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I have no problem with it.


for those of you with a small dick, if they could, would you let them inject sillicone in your wee wee to make it bigger?

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Peeps wrote:
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I have no problem with it.


for those of you with a small dick, if they could, would you let them inject sillicone in your wee wee to make it bigger?


Hah.

I could give less of a shit what people do to their own bodies.


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Peeps wrote:
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I have no problem with it.


for those of you with a small dick, if they could, would you let them inject sillicone in your wee wee to make it bigger?


Yes. Well...it's not small, but it ain't no porn star. :oops:

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I think that in a culture of self-fashioning, cosmetic surgery is just another manifestation of the will to determine one's identity.

The question seems to be - Are women liberated by rediscovering their natural femininity or by seizing control over their biological destinies? I'm not referring to breast implants for someone who has had breast cancer or some other type of disfigurement. Patients generally go to cosmetic surgeons not because their health is threatened but because they want to look different. This is as true of post-mastectomy patients and burn victims as it is of women who have small breasts. Cosmetic surgery is a matter of personal desire, not medical necessity. It is elective, voluntary and usually paid for directly by the patient.

I don't think something went drastically wrong in the fight for women's rights when women were lined up to have breast implants. But I also think that many women pay no regard to the statistics that show all the complications and problems that can arise from having such a surgery just for the sake of vanity.

According to the FDA some of the risks involved are capsular contracture, deflation, leakage, ruptures, infection and change in nipple sensation.

The FDA also reports that around 24% of women who get the surgery done will experience adverse effects and will need additional surgery within the first five years.

The most common reason for women to get implants is that they do it for self-esteem issues, the only problem is that large bra size does not equal high self-esteem.


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I don't think this is "women's issue" at all. It's an issue of materialism, vanity, fear of death and aging, and all these other shallow drives that characterize modern America. Breast implants, like all other cosmetic surgery, should be reserved for those who have been misshapen by disease or birth defect, and not for those who simply wish to be a little bit "better".

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Peeps wrote:
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I have no problem with it.


for those of you with a small dick, if they could, would you let them inject sillicone in your wee wee to make it bigger?


You ever see the pictures of women who had a rupture and their breasts turned into a rock-hard, raisin-like mass? No way that's coming near my dick. What are the chances of that? 1 in a 1000? 1 in a million? If it happened EVER, I can't imagine its worth it. How bad does your self esteem have to be before you risk that?

I mean, the pay off of silicone over saline is like some tactile improvements ... or that they hang a little more realistically? What rational person risks a silcone leak for those minor payoffs?

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It's none of my buisness what a woman crams into her chest. If she knows the risk, and big boobies are that frelling important to her, then Hazzah.

Then again, I'm the wrong chick to be offering an opinion on a breast enhancement debate. :lol:

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Then again, I'm the wrong chick to be offering an opinion on a breast enhancement debate. :lol:


Is that your way of saying that you're stacked? :naughty:

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Then again, I'm the wrong chick to be offering an opinion on a breast enhancement debate. :lol:


Is that your way of saying that you're stacked? :naughty:


LOL, I guess so, but it was sub-conscious. I mostly meant it in the 'because I hate mine and would rather make them go away' sense.

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Then again, I'm the wrong chick to be offering an opinion on a breast enhancement debate. :lol:


Is that your way of saying that you're stacked? :naughty:


LOL, I guess so, but it was sub-conscious. I mostly meant it in the 'because I hate mine and would rather make them go away' sense.


I know someone that had a reduction. She has a few scars, but she was very happy with the results. She went from being inactive b/c of chronic back pain to a regular runner. Ended up being a huge boost for her health.

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just_b wrote:
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Then again, I'm the wrong chick to be offering an opinion on a breast enhancement debate. :lol:


Is that your way of saying that you're stacked? :naughty:


LOL, I guess so, but it was sub-conscious. I mostly meant it in the 'because I hate mine and would rather make them go away' sense.


I know someone that had a reduction. She has a few scars, but she was very happy with the results. She went from being inactive b/c of chronic back pain to a regular runner. Ended up being a huge boost for her health.


Yeah. Unfortunatly, my insurance won't cover it, and I couldn't even pretend to afford it.

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I don't think this is "women's issue" at all. It's an issue of materialism, vanity, fear of death and aging, and all these other shallow drives that characterize modern America. Breast implants, like all other cosmetic surgery, should be reserved for those who have been misshapen by disease or birth defect, and not for those who simply wish to be a little bit "better".

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punkdavid wrote:
I don't think this is "women's issue" at all. It's an issue of materialism, vanity, fear of death and aging, and all these other shallow drives that characterize modern America. Breast implants, like all other cosmetic surgery, should be reserved for those who have been misshapen by disease or birth defect, and not for those who simply wish to be a little bit "better".


Am I allowed to get hair plugs?
Why would you guys want to restrict what a person can do to their own body? Who cares if Marge down the street wants a face lift or tummy tuck and is paying for it with her own cash? Your vision of a utopia where vanity doesn't exist isn't universal.

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And wait a second, if we're so against vanity...why would there be plastic surgery at all? Disease and birth defects that disfigure people would be alllowed surgery? How is that NOT surgery for the sole purpose of making someone look "more normal", when it seems like that's what you guys have an issue with?


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PJDoll wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
I don't think this is "women's issue" at all. It's an issue of materialism, vanity, fear of death and aging, and all these other shallow drives that characterize modern America. Breast implants, like all other cosmetic surgery, should be reserved for those who have been misshapen by disease or birth defect, and not for those who simply wish to be a little bit "better".


Am I allowed to get hair plugs?
Why would you guys want to restrict what a person can do to their own body? Who cares if Marge down the street wants a face lift or tummy tuck and is paying for it with her own cash? Your vision of a utopia where vanity doesn't exist isn't universal.


I'm really more for what type of issue it is. I think it should be something that is done out of necessity, but I'm not for outlawing it either. If someone has the cash and the lack of self esteem, go for it.

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Athletic Supporter wrote:
PJDoll wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
I don't think this is "women's issue" at all. It's an issue of materialism, vanity, fear of death and aging, and all these other shallow drives that characterize modern America. Breast implants, like all other cosmetic surgery, should be reserved for those who have been misshapen by disease or birth defect, and not for those who simply wish to be a little bit "better".


Am I allowed to get hair plugs?
Why would you guys want to restrict what a person can do to their own body? Who cares if Marge down the street wants a face lift or tummy tuck and is paying for it with her own cash? Your vision of a utopia where vanity doesn't exist isn't universal.

Fine. Then they can stop bitching about getting autoimmune diseases because silicone leaked from their fake tits.

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punkdavid wrote:
Athletic Supporter wrote:
PJDoll wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
I don't think this is "women's issue" at all. It's an issue of materialism, vanity, fear of death and aging, and all these other shallow drives that characterize modern America. Breast implants, like all other cosmetic surgery, should be reserved for those who have been misshapen by disease or birth defect, and not for those who simply wish to be a little bit "better".


Am I allowed to get hair plugs?
Why would you guys want to restrict what a person can do to their own body? Who cares if Marge down the street wants a face lift or tummy tuck and is paying for it with her own cash? Your vision of a utopia where vanity doesn't exist isn't universal.

Fine. Then they can stop bitching about getting autoimmune diseases because silicone leaked from their fake tits.

Buyer beware yo.


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Is there an argument to be made that the tax payers or insurance copanies will pay for your care when you get an autoimmune disease that slowly kills you over years and years, so the government should be allowed to say, "no, the risk to your health is too great," in an attempt to lower the public health cost of women deciding to get implants?

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