Post subject: Re: Film: Moneyball (Pitt-Sorkin-Fall 2011)
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:19 pm
Spacegirl
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:54 pm Posts: 40914
huh, i didn't know scott hatteberg couldn't hold or throw a ball.
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In Hatteberg's last season with the Red Sox, he ruptured a nerve in his elbow. After surgery, he was unable to hold or throw a baseball. His baseball career was considered over, and his contract with the Red Sox expired on December 20, 2001.
The Oakland Athletics signed Hatteberg to play for Oakland under a one-year contract with a $950,000 base salary plus incentives the day after he was released by the Red Sox. There was one catch---because Hatteberg could no longer throw the baseball, he would have to play first base.
In January 2002, Hatteberg signed with the Oakland Athletics and became a first baseman and designated hitter for four seasons. Hatteberg, originally considered a horrible first baseman, blossomed in the position under the tutelage of Oakland infield coach Ron Washington.
Post subject: Re: Film: Moneyball (Pitt-Sorkin-Fall 2011)
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:04 pm
Yeah Yeah Yeah
Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:35 pm Posts: 4407 Location: Philadelphia/Los Angeles Gender: Male
Not speaking about the actual film itself, which looks like it might be decent, but on Beane's overall philosophy... yea, I can see the logic within and it seems like it would make a good bit of sense, but at the same time, I look at Oakland and see just a couple division titles and nothing more after all these years.
Post subject: Re: Film: Moneyball (Pitt-Sorkin-Fall 2011)
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:03 am
Yeah Yeah Yeah
Joined: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:04 pm Posts: 5300 Location: upstate NY Gender: Male
Samwise wrote:
Not speaking about the actual film itself, which looks like it might be decent, but on Beane's overall philosophy... yea, I can see the logic within and it seems like it would make a good bit of sense, but at the same time, I look at Oakland and see just a couple division titles and nothing more after all these years.
Well, one of the conclusions of the book is that this system works over a long period of time. The relatively short series of the playoffs are really more about hot streaks and good luck. The other thing about it is that baseball is now post-Moneyball. Teams with larger budgets are enlightened, and are now interested in the same type of players that used to only be attractive to Billy Beane and the A's. So, big-money teams like Boston are all about sabermetrics. Oakland still has the same small budget. They can't afford the players that, ten years ago, they would have been the only team scouting.
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