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Cigarette Lighters Banned From Airplanes
Thu Apr 14,12:03 PM ET
By LESLIE MILLER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Starting Thursday, air travelers will have to leave their lighters at home. Unlike guns, knives and other dangerous items that a passenger cannot carry aboard but may stow in checked bags, lighters are banned everywhere on a plane.

The rule change is expected to produce a large number of seizures of lighters even though airports, airlines and the government have been telling travelers for the past 45 days about the impending ban.

"I'm sure we'll have a bunch of them," said George Doughty, executive director of Lehigh Valley International Airport in Allentown, Pa.

TSA screeners already seize a half-million prohibited items every month. They've been more vigilant about finding and confiscating banned items than were the private screeners who worked at airports before the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackings.

Lighters haven't been permitted in checked bags for at least 30 years because they might start fires in cargo holds. Congress passed a bill last year adding lighters to the list of items prohibited in the cabin.

The genesis for the ban was Richard Reid, who tried unsuccessfully to light explosives hidden in his shoes on a trans-Atlantic flight in 2001. He used matches.

The sponsors of the ban, Democratic Sens. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota and Ron Wyden of Oregon, worried that a lighter might have worked.

"This is a commonsense step to protect passengers in the face of a proven threat," Wyden said.

Mark Peterson, a Sioux Falls, S.D., appraiser who was grabbing a smoke outside Reagan Washington National Airport on Wednesday, wondered why it took so long.

"It's been 3 1/2 years since 9/11 and they've finally figured it out," Peterson said.

The ban does not include matches. Passengers still may carry aboard a plane up to four books of safety matches. Not allowed on planes are "strike anywhere" matches, which can be struck using any abrasive surface.

David Stempler, president of the Air Travelers Association, said the lighter ban is long overdue. But he said matches ought to be included, too.

"The problem with the TSA on the matches is the inability to detect them," Stempler said.

Kevin Mitchell, president of the Business Travel Coalition, said the ban on lighters amounted to "silliness in the extreme."

"It only adds to consumer confusion and longer lines, and longer lines represent a security threat," Mitchell said.

Wehns Billen, visiting Washington from Micronesia for a conference, said he was told of the impending ban by his airline. He left his expensive lighter at home.

People can mail prohibited items, take them to their cars or give them to someone who is not traveling. Otherwise, seized items are not returned.

"The whole thing is silly," Billen said. "I wish they'd put a smoking section on the plane."

Billen may be typical of overseas travelers. They are more likely to smoke than U.S. citizens, said Steve van Beek, executive vice president of the Airports Council International, which represents airport officials.

"How are we going to notify every other passenger in the world connecting through and transiting the United States that their lighters are going to be seized?" van Beek said.


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3.5 years after 9/11 we are finally safe from lighters. I'm setting up a shop in the airport that is just me, and a lighter and I'm charging smokers 25 cents a light.

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I thought it was just Zippo's at first, but now that it is all lighters it makes more sense. Zippo was getting robbed there for a second.

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I thought it was just Zippo's at first, but now that it is all lighters it makes more sense. Zippo was getting robbed there for a second.


It's all of them:

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Wouldn't it be funny if you bought that American Flag/Eagle lighter to show how much you love America and the security takes it from you b/c you might be a terrorist.

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A few months ago I heard that they were going to ban all Zippo lighters buts Bic's and other lighters were going to be allowed. Something about a Zippo that made them ban them, I cant remember what is was.

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They should just put these bins outside security. When you go to the plane you throw your lighter in. When you come out at the next airport, you just reach in and take someone elses lost lighter. Ta da! It's a cool lighter trading program.

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If you have a Swiss Champ as your keychain and a Zippo lighter and you don't know the rules, you've just had about $100 worth of premium shit taken from you. What a bummer.

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If you have a Swiss Champ as your keychain and a Zippo lighter and you don't know the rules, you've just had about $100 worth of premium shit taken from you. What a bummer.


The last time I was at the airport, there was a kiosk near security that had the stuff to mail yourself something. It had padded envelopes and a billing sheet that you fill out w/ your credit card number. I'm sure it cost a bunch, but you wouldn't loose your knife, etc. I think you had to empty your zippo ... I don't know how you'd do that.

If you're really lucky, like I was once when I forgot my pocket knife, you can run back to check-in and they'll grab your bag so you can stick your knife in.

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 Post subject: Re: No Lighters on Planes
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The ban does not include matches. Passengers still may carry aboard a plane up to four books of safety matches.


:? I always thought matches and lighters did pretty much the same thing.


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I once killed a man with a lighter.

No wait that was a ham sandwich and a bloody mary. Oh well you get the idea.

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what do they do with al lthe siezed lighters

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Damn it! Can I get a move to N&D?


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I haven't been on a plane since '00 and I was just told that they no longer feed you on American flights because 'terrorists could poison you!' :roll: wtf! that is nuts! :x

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just_b wrote:
They should just put these bins outside security. When you go to the plane you throw your lighter in. When you come out at the next airport, you just reach in and take someone elses lost lighter. Ta da! It's a cool lighter trading program.


I guess you don't care about what will happen to the lighter manufacturing industry if such an idea is implemented. You need look no farther than that "have a penny, leave a penny; need a penny, take a penny" fiasco to see that it's a bad idea. Communist.


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I haven't been on a plane since '00 and I was just told that they no longer feed you on American flights because 'terrorists could poison you!' :roll: wtf! that is nuts! :x

It's not true. They don't feed you because they're all poor and on welfare.

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Is hairspray allowed on planes?

Can you now see why lighters are a bad idea on planes?


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I think everyone should have to be put in a strait jacket before boarding the plane. Then you can bring whatever you want.

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What if they bring silly string and ignite it while spraying it at the pilot? Can you imagine the flaming tendrils of goo and the massive damage they could do? OH, THE HORROR!

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Is hairspray allowed on planes?

Can you now see why lighters are a bad idea on planes?

are matches being confiscated too? I don't think they are, yet they are just as capable of starting a fire with a can of hair spray.

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