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 Post subject: Big Auto Fights California's Global Warming Law
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:39 am 
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"Big Auto Fights California's Landmark Global Warming Law
Carmakers work the courts instead of putting technology to work.


Tell automakers you want to see their ingenuity on the road, not in court.
Take a look at the clean car technologies automakers should be using more widely.
America's cars and trucks pump 1.4 billion tons of heat-trapping CO2 into the atmosphere every year.
Eighty-one percent of California voters -- including 77 percent of SUV owners -- support the state's new global warming emissions standards.
New emissions standards will save California drivers nearly $921 million annually by 2012.

States including Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Vermont, Maine and Washington are considering adopting California's standards.

Car companies are trying to have it both ways: They tease us with promises of cleaner cars -- "zero emissions," "energy for the future" -- then sue to prevent states from setting standards to cut global warming pollution from automobiles.

In 2004, California adopted the world's first standards designed to cut global warming pollution from new cars and trucks. The historic law, which at least eight other states may adopt, requires automakers to reduce heat-trapping exhaust from new vehicles by about 30 percent over the next decade.

Cleaner cars are an essential part of the fight against global warming. Automobiles are the second largest source of global warming pollution in the United States. Their heat-trapping emissions are already changing the world's climate, threatening health, the economy and the environment across the globe. If current trends continue, global warming will bring increasingly severe heat waves and droughts, more property damage from floods and wildfires, and more asthma-causing bad air days.

But instead of relying on their engineers to design cars that would protect public health and the environment, automakers turned to their lawyers for excuses. They argue that the law demands too much, that it is too difficult to cut the heat-trapping pollution their vehicles produce.

Carmakers have a long history of battling against simple, cost-effective solutions, fighting everything from catalytic converters to air bags and even seatbelts. The complaint is always the same -- it's just too hard.

Their excuses ring hollow. The new requirements were crafted around technologies that are already in use, like better engine electronics, improved transmissions and energy-saving tires (see Detroit Can Do It), which combine to slash heat-trapping emissions from cars and trucks.

We know the auto industry can build cleaner cars. The solutions are there, and American consumers are ready to put them on the road. A healthy, competitive auto industry relies on ingenuity, not lawsuits. Big Auto should lose its can't-do attitude and start being a leader again."


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 Post subject: Re: Big Auto Fights California's Global Warming Law
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:28 pm 
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PJinmyhead wrote:
New emissions standards will save California drivers nearly $921 million annually by 2012.


I don't understand this. Maybe someone here can explain it. The article didn't state anything about better gas mileage, so is California currently involved in some kind of air cleaning expenditure?

I'm not being a wise ass here, I just don't understand the economics of this. Does anyone here?

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link? source?

this seems like a very biased piece (not that i am not of the same bias), and doesn't explain much we don't already know.


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ledbutter wrote:
link? source?

this seems like a very biased piece (not that i am not of the same bias), and doesn't explain much we don't already know.


http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/fauto.asp


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PJinmyhead wrote:
ledbutter wrote:
link? source?

this seems like a very biased piece (not that i am not of the same bias), and doesn't explain much we don't already know.


http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/fauto.asp
National Resources Defense Council
Yep, quite biased. Let's go get GM's take!


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 Post subject: Re: Big Auto Fights California's Global Warming Law
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[quote="PJinmyhead]
We know the auto industry can build cleaner cars. The solutions are there, and American consumers are ready to put them on the road. [/quote]

Don't you think it would be nice if the author could at least come up with one good solution.

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Zutballs wrote:
[quote="PJinmyhead]
We know the auto industry can build cleaner cars. The solutions are there, and American consumers are ready to put them on the road.


Don't you think it would be nice if the author could at least come up with one good solution.[/quote]

javascript:popwin('suv_popup.html')


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 Post subject: Re: Big Auto Fights California's Global Warming Law
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PJinmyhead wrote:
Zutballs wrote:
[quote="PJinmyhead]
We know the auto industry can build cleaner cars. The solutions are there, and American consumers are ready to put them on the road.


Don't you think it would be nice if the author could at least come up with one good solution.


javascript:popwin('suv_popup.html')[/quote]

click on the link, then click on Detroit Can Do It on the 6th paragraph.


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 Post subject: Re: Big Auto Fights California's Global Warming Law
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PJinmyhead wrote:
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Zutballs wrote:
[quote="PJinmyhead]
We know the auto industry can build cleaner cars. The solutions are there, and American consumers are ready to put them on the road.


Don't you think it would be nice if the author could at least come up with one good solution.


javascript:popwin('suv_popup.html')


click on the link, then click on Detroit Can Do It on the 6th paragraph.[/quote]

Wait a second. Do you even live in the US?

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 Post subject: Re: Big Auto Fights California's Global Warming Law
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Zutballs wrote:
PJinmyhead wrote:
PJinmyhead wrote:
Zutballs wrote:
[quote="PJinmyhead]
We know the auto industry can build cleaner cars. The solutions are there, and American consumers are ready to put them on the road.


Don't you think it would be nice if the author could at least come up with one good solution.


javascript:popwin('suv_popup.html')


click on the link, then click on Detroit Can Do It on the 6th paragraph.


Wait a second. Do you even live in the US?[/quote]

Is that at all important to promote a debate?


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Stop requoting each other's html garbage back and forth!!! It's driving me crazy. :evil:

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punkdavid wrote:
Stop requoting each other's html garbage back and forth!!! It's driving me crazy. :evil:


Its not nearly as bas as your quotes on the bottom of your posts. I keep thinking its part of the thread. :wink:

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Zutballs wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
Stop requoting each other's html garbage back and forth!!! It's driving me crazy. :evil:


Its not nearly as bas as your quotes on the bottom of your posts. I keep thinking its part of the thread. :wink:

Those quotes should be a part of every thread. :wink:

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I've been hearing a lot of commercials lately on the Seattle radio stations from the viewpoint of the automobile manufacturers. This is why:


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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/216353_oly17.html

House OKs tough auto emission standards
California rules are too strict, critics say

Thursday, March 17, 2005

By KYLE ARNOLD
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

OLYMPIA -- The state House adopted California's automotive strict emission standards yesterday after hours of debate.

House Bill 1397 passed 53-42. It would require that all new cars and light-duty trucks sold in and after 2016 adhere to stricter emissions standards.

The House bill now heads to the Senate.

Opponents of the bill, mainly auto dealers and manufacturers, say the cleaner-burning automobiles are much more expensive and give consumers fewer options. Those more expensive cars, auto dealers say, will drive consumers out of the state to buy cars and cost local dealers.

Estimates from automakers say the cleaner-burning cars cost about $3,000 more than the same models that don't adhere to the tighter standards.

The Federal Clean Air Act allows states to either adopt federal standards or California's more stringent policy.

The proposed law would reduce carbon dioxide emissions in new cars by 30 percent, 20 percent fewer toxic pollutants and 15 percent to 20 percent fewer smog-causing pollutants than current federal standards.

"If you don't think about the air, think about the costs," said the bill sponsor, Rep. Ed Murray, D-Seattle, who said improved gas mileage will save drivers $20 billion by 2020. Murray and other Democrats said reduced emissions would improve air quality for the state's 6 million residents and reduce cancer risks, asthma and other health problems. Republicans objected to turning control of standards over to California.

"Don't 'Californicate' Washington," said Tom Campbell, R-Roy.

Eight other states, including New York, have adopted California's standards, Murray said.

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Back on topic: So automakers now make tires, too? Impressive.

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Consumers are ready for it? How many of them can afford it?


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My car is an "ultra low emission vehicle". I would be unaffected by this legislation.

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LittleWing wrote:
Consumers are ready for it? How many of them can afford it?
LittleWing has a point. (Man, the really felt wierd to type.) That article didn't really offer any proof that consumers are demanding this stuff, and I know that the price of hybrid cars is still significantly higher than normal cars. They don't pay for themselves in gas mileage for years and years.

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LittleWing wrote:
Consumers are ready for it? How many of them can afford it?


If it raises costs of cars for too many, that could lead to more alternative fuel research, more carpooling and more public transportation, all of which I see as good things.


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