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 Post subject: Wash - guitar
PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:25 am 
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So I just started taking guitar lessons... only 4 lessons in... and I have decided to try to try to learn one of my favorite songs... and one that seems pretty simple... on my own. Not quite sure how to find out the guitar notes and shit on the internet, and everything I found for Wash said the intro was a G-chord, which didn't sound quite right.
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 Post subject: Re: Wash - guitar
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I've always played it something like this:


Gm7 E/G Gm7 E/G

F Bbdim F Bbdim

Gm7 Bbdim F G#

Am Am Am D

Gm7 Gm7 Gm7 D9

D9 D9 F Fm Fm6 Fmaj7



and then for the "Wash my love..." part....

E E E E B7

E F G A9 Am6

G#mdimadd9 Caug F5 F5 F5








Can anyone confirm or deny the accuracy of this transcription?

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 Post subject: Re: Wash - guitar
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Whoah awesome :D thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Wash - guitar
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Kevin Davis wrote:
I've always played it something like this:


Gm7 E/G Gm7 E/G

F Bbdim F Bbdim

Gm7 Bbdim F G#

Am Am Am D

Gm7 Gm7 Gm7 D9

D9 D9 F Fm Fm6 Fmaj7



and then for the "Wash my love..." part....

E E E E B7

E F G A9 Am6

G#mdimadd9 Caug F5 F5 F5








Can anyone confirm or deny the accuracy of this transcription?


Well, I don't think there are any E's, A-minors or D's in it at all. The chorus goes B-flat, F, G. The verses are simply bending the minor, B-flat note while playing the G chord, and finishing the pull by landing on the root G on the top E-string.

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 Post subject: Re: Wash - guitar
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Whoah awesome :D thanks!

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 Post subject: Re: Wash - guitar
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Except, the chords for Whipping are wrong on it. There is no Cadd9 being played in that song. It's E, Gsus2, A, Gsus2.

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 Post subject: Re: Wash - guitar
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 Post subject: Re: Wash - guitar
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Wease wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:
I've always played it something like this:


Gm7 E/G Gm7 E/G

F Bbdim F Bbdim

Gm7 Bbdim F G#

Am Am Am D

Gm7 Gm7 Gm7 D9

D9 D9 F Fm Fm6 Fmaj7



and then for the "Wash my love..." part....

E E E E B7

E F G A9 Am6

G#mdimadd9 Caug F5 F5 F5








Can anyone confirm or deny the accuracy of this transcription?


Well, I don't think there are any E's, A-minors or D's in it at all. The chorus goes B-flat, F, G. The verses are simply bending the minor, B-flat note while playing the G chord, and finishing the pull by landing on the root G on the top E-string.



No, I'm pretty sure this isn't correct, Wease. I very distinctly hear some 'E' chords in that chorus, culminating with that G#mdimadd9 in the "what's clean is pure..." part. Are you sure you're not just oversimplifying the progression to subconsciously make it sound more like an Ace Frehley riff or something?

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Kevin Davis wrote:
Gm7 Gm7 Gm7 D9

D9 D9 F Fm Fm6 Fmaj7


How many PJ songs use this many jazz chords???


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 Post subject: Re: Wash - guitar
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leopold wrote:
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Gm7 Gm7 Gm7 D9

D9 D9 F Fm Fm6 Fmaj7


How many PJ songs use this many jazz chords???


9 major ones, 7 minor ones.

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 Post subject: Re: Wash - guitar
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what exactly is a jazz chord?

and does that mean there should be horns in wash?

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 Post subject: Re: Wash - guitar
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warehouse wrote:
what exactly is a jazz chord?

and does that mean there should be horns in wash?


Jazz chords use four notes (usually adding the seventh note of the scale). Standard chords use 3. E.g. C is C-E-G. Cmaj7 (jazz chord) is C-E-G-B.


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leopold wrote:
warehouse wrote:
what exactly is a jazz chord?

and does that mean there should be horns in wash?


Jazz chords use four notes (usually adding the seventh note of the scale). Standard chords use 3. E.g. C is C-E-G. Cmaj7 (jazz chord) is C-E-G-B.

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 Post subject: Re: Wash - guitar
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"Jazz chords" encompass anything besides a basic major or minor open chord--or power chord--designed specifically to confuse rock-oriented guitar players looking for tablature on the internet. They came into being around 1996 or so, when seven music professors from the Berklee College of Music teamed up with Larry Carlton (of the group FourPlay), Dean DeLeo (of Stone Temple Pilots), and the Antonio Carlos Jobim estate to develop a system to combat mediocrity in graduating Berklee seniors, as well as to reduce the number of shitty local bar bands capable of accurately replicating lousy music they heard on the radio. More or less, what happened was that tablature sites, at the threat of legal prosecution from the RIAA and numerous music publishing companies, were required to just start adding random, meaningless numbers to chords on their chord charts, in the hopes that less ambitious musicians (like Wease) would simply throw their hands up in frustration at all the intimidating math in what they'd expected would be simple four chord rock songs.

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 Post subject: Re: Wash - guitar
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Kevin Davis wrote:
Wease wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:
and then for the "Wash my love..." part....

E E E E B7

E F G A9 Am6

G#mdimadd9 Caug F5 F5 F5

Can anyone confirm or deny the accuracy of this transcription?


Well, I don't think there are any E's, A-minors or D's in it at all. The chorus goes B-flat, F, G. The verses are simply bending the minor, B-flat note while playing the G chord, and finishing the pull by landing on the root G on the top E-string.



No, I'm pretty sure this isn't correct, Wease. I very distinctly hear some 'E' chords in that chorus, culminating with that G#mdimadd9 in the "what's clean is pure..." part. Are you sure you're not just oversimplifying the progression to subconsciously make it sound more like an Ace Frehley riff or something?



Ha ha. No.

The song basically rings the G-minor chord thru the verse. The chorus or "Wash my love..." part is B-flat, F, Gsus2. Listen to what Jeff plays. There are no E's, A's or D's anywhere. He only plays 4 actual tones in the whole song. They are simply patterned differently during different parts of the song. It's the same 3 chords played on guitar thru the whole song.

Now, what MIKE does during the bridge may get into some more complicated stuff, I've never really tried to play it. It sounds like just some fast, soft strumming that starts in G-minor and just noodles around that, but as I've said, I've never played it before. Stone doesn't play anything in the bridge until going back into the B-flat right before the last chorus.

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 Post subject: Re: Wash - guitar
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Kevin Davis wrote:
in the hopes that less ambitious musicians (like Wease) would simply throw their hands up in frustration at all the intimidating math in what they'd expected would be simple four chord rock songs.


At least I can listen and hear what the fucking chords are, E-boy.

And Wash is a 3-chord song, not 4-chord. Any dipshit can listen to it and hear that. Oh, except for you.

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 Post subject: Re: Wash - guitar
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Wease is absolutely right (about the chords).

I'm sorry, Kevin.


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 Post subject: Re: Wash - guitar
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That makes sense now--part of the problem may have been that I'd been playing it on a banjo instead of a guitar, and my banjo is missing a string.

Since this seems to be turning into the guitar tab and theory thread, I have a question I'll go ahead and throw into the mix: if I have a capo on the 6th fret and have my guitar tuned to EAEGBF, how do I play "Ghost" without deviating from the key used on the studio version?

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