Post subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins Reissues 2011 -
Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:08 am
Got Some
Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:12 pm Posts: 1749 Location: Portland, OR
VinylGuy wrote:
zeb wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
AndySlash wrote:
i just listened to machina. i still like most of this album and listening tonight made me think it has aged pretty well. that or i'm so down on 99% of what's come out since then that this just sounds remarkable in comparison.
the first three minutes or whatever on glass + the ghost children is still one of my favorite musical pieces the band ever did.
i hate machina...its my fault, i know because i can telll some of the songs there are great, but i just can´t listen to it...i only like 3 songs, everlasting gaze, try try try and heavy metal machine...the rest..i just cant listen to it.
Stand Inside Your Love is one of the best singles Corgan ever wrote.
its a great song but i cant stand the machina version....i prefer it acoustic or live. I have a problem with the production and mixing of that record.
So do a lot of fans. There's a reason that Machina will be completely remixed / remastered / resequenced when that reissue comes out. It was supposed to be a double album and it ended up getting cut down to one disc.
For me, it's all about "Speed Kills", especially the B-side version. I'm also quite fond of "The Sacred + The Profane", "Age of Innocence", "Glass + Ghost Children", "Wound" and "I of the Mourning". There's a lot of good stuff on that album but it gets overshadowed by the poor production and the overwhelming shittyness of a few tracks on the album (I'm thinking specifically of the album version of "Blue Skies Bring Tears" - you've got like 5 versions of the song and you pick by far the worst?).
That's the reissue I might be most excited about, if Billy does it the way it could be done.
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Post subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins Reissues 2011 -
Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:05 am
Yeah Yeah Yeah
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:23 am Posts: 4187
matt reeder wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
zeb wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
AndySlash wrote:
i just listened to machina. i still like most of this album and listening tonight made me think it has aged pretty well. that or i'm so down on 99% of what's come out since then that this just sounds remarkable in comparison.
the first three minutes or whatever on glass + the ghost children is still one of my favorite musical pieces the band ever did.
i hate machina...its my fault, i know because i can telll some of the songs there are great, but i just can´t listen to it...i only like 3 songs, everlasting gaze, try try try and heavy metal machine...the rest..i just cant listen to it.
Stand Inside Your Love is one of the best singles Corgan ever wrote.
its a great song but i cant stand the machina version....i prefer it acoustic or live. I have a problem with the production and mixing of that record.
So do a lot of fans. There's a reason that Machina will be completely remixed / remastered / resequenced when that reissue comes out. It was supposed to be a double album and it ended up getting cut down to one disc.
For me, it's all about "Speed Kills", especially the B-side version. I'm also quite fond of "The Sacred + The Profane", "Age of Innocence", "Glass + Ghost Children", "Wound" and "I of the Mourning". There's a lot of good stuff on that album but it gets overshadowed by the poor production and the overwhelming shittyness of a few tracks on the album (I'm thinking specifically of the album version of "Blue Skies Bring Tears" - you've got like 5 versions of the song and you pick by far the worst?).
That's the reissue I might be most excited about, if Billy does it the way it could be done.
There is a great heavy version on If all goes wrong of "Blue Skies Bring Tears"...but yeah i cant seem to listen to that record..i prefer Zeitgeist, even if i know the songs arent that good.
Post subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins Reissues 2011 -
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:43 am
Got Some
Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:12 pm Posts: 1749 Location: Portland, OR
This is what I'm listening to right now. It sounds amazing and the show is great despite being very short for its era. --------------------- THE SMASHING PUMPKINS December 17, 1996 Arco Arena Sacremento, CA, US
01. Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (PA intro) 02. Tonight, Tonight 03. Rocket 04. Fuck You 05. By Starlight 06. Where Boys Fear to Tread 07. Zero 08. Today 09. Thru the Eyes of Ruby 10. Porcelina of the Vast Oceans 11. Galapogos 12. Disarm 13. Bullet with Butterfly Wings 14. Muzzle
Encore One: 15. X.Y.U.
Encore Two: 16. banter 17. 1979 18. Cherub Rock ------------------------ I mention this because Billy says that they taped the entire MCIS tour on DAT multi-track soundboard and that he hopes to release at least some shows in the future.
Having the entire MCIS tour on soundboard is a beautiful, beautiful dream. Oh man...
Pearl Jam shows: Champaign 4/23/2003 Chicago 6/18/2003 St. Louis 10/05/2004 Portland 7/20/2006 Gorge 7/22/2006 Ridgefield 9/26/2009 Philadelphia 10/31/2009
Post subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins Reissues 2011 -
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:03 pm
too drunk to moderate properly
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12 options, eh? It is insanely unclear what each of these options actually includes.
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Post subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins Reissues 2011 -
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:46 pm
Stone's Bitch
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The packaging and booklets for the vinyl are great. Haven't got a chance to listen to it yet; may save it for Friday afternoon, just so I can sit down with a beer and read through the liner notes as I listen.
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Post subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins Reissues 2011 -
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:12 pm
Yeah Yeah Yeah
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:23 am Posts: 4187
Simple Torture wrote:
The packaging and booklets for the vinyl are great. Haven't got a chance to listen to it yet; may save it for Friday afternoon, just so I can sit down with a beer and read through the liner notes as I listen.
Post subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins Reissues 2011 -
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:54 pm
Stone's Bitch
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:41 am Posts: 5867 Location: Providence, RI Gender: Male
VinylGuy wrote:
Simple Torture wrote:
The packaging and booklets for the vinyl are great. Haven't got a chance to listen to it yet; may save it for Friday afternoon, just so I can sit down with a beer and read through the liner notes as I listen.
how are the liner notes? is it all Billy?
There's an introduction by some guy whose name is escaping me. Then there are song-by-song notes that look like they're all Billy.
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Post subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins Reissues 2011 -
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:33 pm
Yeah Yeah Yeah
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:15 pm Posts: 3875
VinylGuy wrote:
Simple Torture wrote:
The packaging and booklets for the vinyl are great. Haven't got a chance to listen to it yet; may save it for Friday afternoon, just so I can sit down with a beer and read through the liner notes as I listen.
how are the liner notes? is it all Billy?
There's a short essay to start by David Wild. Then song by song blurbs by Billy for the original release songs only. Some of these are quite good and provide some nice insight, and others just make you realize that Billy can't help himself but come over as self importance. Nothing for the songs on cd's 3-5 nor the dvd. Lyrics for the original release provided in a separate booklet.
There is so much to digest. I never owned the original, so just getting through the original release is taking time. I sure missed out on these guys at the time. The dvd just leaves me wanting a full concert release from this time period.
Overall a really nice set but honestly, it's over priced. It's bands and labels over pricing sets like this that just drive people to download it.
Post subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins Reissues 2011 -
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:35 pm
Force of Nature
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:04 pm Posts: 311 Gender: Male
So how would one go about playing 24/96 FLACs on an ipod? I read a post that ipods can play 24/48 Apple Lossless files but I don't see an option to downsample. Maybe I'm being thick, though.
Also I found an app that says it'll play FLACs but it's $9.99 and the reviews were middling. Thanks.
Post subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins Reissues 2011 -
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:52 pm
Master of Meh
Joined: Fri May 19, 2006 11:00 pm Posts: 13226 Location: Adelaide, AUS
You can use external programs to downsample, I use XLD on Mac and it's great.
FYI, and I only found this out recently, it won't be true 24/48 through the headphone jack if played through an iPod: everything going through the headphone jack is internally downsampled to 16 bit.
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