I have deleted all shortcuts and what not, but it is still there. I do not see it in my control panel. Anyone?

Sillow windows user, you can't delete a Microsoft product...its like herpes. once you get it your stuck with it forever.


ok so i dont know

there is a way to do it, i think it might even be on the microsoft website...
but they advise against it (obviously) b/c they say its an integral part of windows, yada yada yada... but i know for sure that i read that you can do it..
just google it

yeah everything i can find says to definitely not remove it. that sucks.

Install Linux.

I don't think you actually can remove IE entirely, because it is an integrated part of the OS you are running: IE is more or less an extension to Windows Explorer - (you can type in a web adress in Windows Explorer and show web pages, and vice versa - type in a drive letter in IE and get the Windows Explorer behavior). Because of this tight coupling, my guess is that you at best only can hide IE - which is, much better that not doing so

Besides which, how the fuck are you supposed to to do Windows updates without IE?? You can't. Just use Linux dude

http://www.apple.com



Microsoft stopped making IE for Mac because Safari was 10 times better.

Yeah, Safari is so good, that nobody even uses it except Mac people, and not even all mac people use it. Most I know use FireFox anyway.

Boo Apple.

Boo Macs.

how do you hide IE? and what does hiding actually mean in terms of IE?

Of course only Mac people use Safari, Apple develops software for Macs.. go figure. I use both Safari and Firefox. I love the expandability of Firefox with extensions, but Safari smokes Firefox in terms of speed, and its' RSS support is the best of any browser on the market right now, IMO. It's obviously more integrated with the OS as well, which gives it an advantage over Firefox.

i deleted all shortcuts and places it appears on my pc.

it doesnt mean anything, other than i dont see that stupid blue "e" looking at me.

Your statement means absolutely nothing. Apple also makes Quicktime and iTunes for Windows users.
If they thought they had a chance on the browser market by porting Safari to other OS', they'd do it in a heartbeat.



There really are not many advantages to integrating the browser into the OS. In fact, I can really think of none at all. But maybe you can shed some light on how it makes it so much better? I can only think of the disadvantages, such as increased processor or memory loads due to running background processes needed for having the browser capabilities and system needs all going simultaniously.

http://www.litepc.com/



I assume you mean to be thanking the open-source KDE project, since Apple's Webcore is based on their KHTML.

http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/webcore/



There's a cool project going on to create a linux distro (SymphonyOS) that uses Mozilla's Gecko to render all kinds of neat things on your desktop. I don't know that there is anything inherently bad about integrating a browser into an OS, it's just that in the case of Windows, IE (and especially ActiveX) is ridiculously buggy and insecure. And considering that 90+% of people probably have their browser open all the time, it doesn't seem like there would be much of an increase in cpu or ram. I mean, you have to use some sort of widget rendering toolkit, whether it's from browser or something else.

I suppose it depends on what you are doing. Computers are getting fast enough where it doesnt matter as much if you have 20 extra processes happening in the background. But in the same way that I like FireFox because you can get it really stripped down and minimal compared to other browsers, I like being able to minimize the system processes and resources. Especially, lets say, if I am multitrack recording 5 live audio input sources, or encoding compressed live large format video from an outside video source to the hard drive. in some cases I want every ounce of computer power I can get, and I want to kill as much unnessesary stuff as possible. Sure, maybe the processes that integrate the browser into the OS dont take up all that much, but it's the mentality that bothers me. Less option instead of more. Once you go down that path, then you open the gates to more integrated things, as we've seen programs nowadays try to do (especially on Windows machines). When you install something, they all want to add something to your startup processes or background processes that add one more thing taking up resources.

Bleh.

I know sometimes integration can be good, and makes sense in some cases. I just dont happen to think it's all that great in this case. But who knows. Maybe they will make something in the near future that will really make a lot of sense to me. I just havnt seen it yet.

Yeah, they've made Quicktime for Windows for years because it would be ridiculous to try to support a media format that can't be used by 95% of computer users.

iTunes was only ported to Windows after the overwhelming success of the iPod. Originally Windows users had to use Musicmatch Jukebox.

The fact is, Apple does develop software for Macs almost exclusively. To say that the only quality programs they've created are the ones they've ported to Windows is just silly. If Apple produced all of their best software titles for Windows, there would be less incentive to buy their hardware.



When I say Safari is more integrated into the OS, I don't really mean that there's all kinds of background processes going on. It's just that Safari was designed exclusively for OS X, and therefore is more integrated into that environment. Things like automatic installation of Dashboard widgets, and automatic mounting of disk images aren't a huge deal, but are quicker and save you a few extra steps over Firefox. It's also integrated with other Apple software, like iPhoto and Automator.

Firefox for Macs is a good browser. But Macs are it's secondary target, and therefore it's still lacking in some areas. I use it for some specific purposes, like web design, because the Developer Toolbar is an invaluable extension. But for daily browsing, Safari is lightning fast compared to Firefox, and has better support for things like Flash, Windows Media, RSS feeds, and PDFs.

And Safari isn't integrated into the OS in any way like IE is with Windows. It's a standalone application that can be removed completely with no adverse effects.

But they make browsers and other software that can't be used by 95% of computer users?



So if Safari was an overwhelming success, they would port it?



Well, I dont want to suggest that Apple isnt creative or cant make good software. I'm sure they do. But the Open source community also makes good software. And even Microsoft has made some good software. There isnt really much that Apple has made that I would put above what I've seen for free via Open source, or made by some other copany. Apple doesnt do itself any favors with it's closed marketing strategy.

The logic is that Quicktime is a cross-platform media format, and they keep their software up to date for Windows to support the format, not because Quicktime for Windows is the most amazing multimedia player on the market. In fact Quicktime for Windows can be a pain in the ass, just as Windows Media Player for Mac is a pain and a hassle.

Safari, on the other hand, is a great browser on the Mac platform. But that doesn't mean it would be the best thing ever if it was released for Windows. It would just be another browser that some would prefer, but likely wouldn't be an overwhelming success.



Safari is a success on the Mac platform, it would be another browser in a sea of browsers if it was ported to Windows. Firefox has a tiny market share compared to IE, does that mean it's not a success, or that it's not a great browser?

I think that you're equating Firefox for Windows (or maybe Linux) with Firefox for Macs. And they aren't the same. Firefox for Windows may be the best thing since sliced bread, but it has many flaws on the Mac platform. I have used Firefox for over a year now, and used it exclusively because I felt it was better than Safari 1.0 . Safari 2.0 came out a few weeks ago, and I think it's a great browser, so I'm using it much more than I use Firefox at the moment.



That's a fair assessment, although I disagree with you. And no one's saying Apple is the best software developer ever. Most of the software I use is from 3rd party developers, and there's lots of open source software available for Macs.

Just out of curiosity, have you tried Opera for Mac? In that case, do you find that Opera for Mac is lacking in some areas too compared to the Windows and Linux versions?