I've been hearing for months now how this election is the most important of our lives (so much so Springsteen got involved!) and that voter apathy is a thing of the past and that if Bush is elected my kids will die in a war to liberate the Congo and conversely if Kerry is elected al-Qaeda will kill us all (provided we have no duct tape) and I've taken Sean Penn's advice and become fully informed on every possible issue and I still don't give a fuck who get's elected.
What is wrong with me?
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You need to live like a poor, homosexual, black, jewish asian for a while and realize how lucky you have it and then you might see the importance in the political process.
I've been hearing for months now how this election is the most important of our lives (so much so Springsteen got involved!) and that voter apathy is a thing of the past and that if Bush is elected my kids will die in a war to liberate the Congo and conversely if Kerry is elected al-Qaeda will kill us all (provided we have no duct tape) and I've taken Sean Penn's advice and become fully informed on every possible issue and I still don't give a fuck who get's elected.
I've been hearing for months now how this election is the most important of our lives (so much so Springsteen got involved!) and that voter apathy is a thing of the past and that if Bush is elected my kids will die in a war to liberate the Congo and conversely if Kerry is elected al-Qaeda will kill us all (provided we have no duct tape) and I've taken Sean Penn's advice and become fully informed on every possible issue and I still don't give a fuck who get's elected.
What is wrong with me?
Liberate the Congo! Liberate the Congo!
neo-cons.
I still don't care.
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Man in Black wrote:
I've been hearing for months now how this election is the most important of our lives (so much so Springsteen got involved!) and that voter apathy is a thing of the past and that if Bush is elected my kids will die in a war to liberate the Congo and conversely if Kerry is elected al-Qaeda will kill us all (provided we have no duct tape) and I've taken Sean Penn's advice and become fully informed on every possible issue and I still don't give a fuck who get's elected.
What is wrong with me?
The reason I don't care who's elected is because I feel both Bush and Kerry will screw America roughly the same amount.
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In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress.
Actor and Iowa native Ashton Kutcher takes time to greet fans at the edge of the crowd Tuesday night after speaking at Hubbard Park on the University of Iowa campus. Kutcher and others spoke at a rally for Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. Press-Citizen / Hannah van Zutphen-Kann
Ashton Kutcher says he won't get punk'd again.
"I got punked," Kutcher said of his vote for President Bush in 2000 and a reference to his MTV show "Punk'd." "I thought he was like me, a good old boy ... I know how to admit when I'm wrong, and man, am I wrong."
Kutcher and two other celebrities joined two stepsons of John Kerry on Tuesday to stump for the Democratic presidential candidate at the University of Iowa's Hubbard Park, drawing a mostly student crowd of about 1,500. Students listened to a flood of speeches encouraging the ousting of President Bush and the support of college-aged voters come Tuesday.
One such student was UI sophomore Kevin Hansen, 19, standing next to a stage that, minutes before, held the likes of actor and Iowa native Kutcher.
"It beat my expectations," Hansen said.
One by one, Ron Livingston from "Office Space," Max Weinberg from "Late Night with Conan O'Brien," Kerry's stepsons, Andre and Christopher Heinz, and Kutcher, who stars in "That '70s Show," wooed the audience standing behind gates and a string of small, yellow Hawkeye flags. Some of them have canvassed in Iowa while others have campaigned in Minnesota, Ohio and Pennsylvania as part of the "Get the Vote Out" tour.
"Here in Iowa, you have the mixed blessing of having caucuses," Christopher Heinz said.
Heinz also touted Kerry's values and how he earns people's respect.
Iowa City has had its fair share of celebrities campaigning for Kerry and his running mate, Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C. Actor Josh Hartnett, who starred in "Black Hawk Down" and "Pearl Harbor," stumped here Oct. 14. Musicians James Taylor and the Dixie Chicks played to an Oct.5 sold-out concert at Hancher Auditorium in conjunction with the Vote for Change Tour, a nationwide movement to oust Bush.
Wearing a brown corduroy jacket and an Iowa sweatshirt, Livingston talked about how much the young vote counts in a society that thinks young people don't care about politics.
"That's because they're not considering you to be here," he said. "They're not seeing what I'm seeing."
He encouraged students to get their parents to vote for Kerry and to volunteer to register voters.
Kutcher discussed most issues, including Bush not admitting to mistakes, the Iraqi war, health care and jobs. He used his Eastern Iowa roots to discuss middle class frustrations, including his grandmother who can't afford her house and high pharmaceutical costs, his uncle who was sent to Iraq, his sister who lost her job because of cuts to education and himself, a former UI student who once donated plasma to help pay for college.
Dressed in a self-made T-shirt and hat displaying her devotion to Kutcher, UI freshman Nabilah Irshad, 17, said she liked how Kutcher related to the common people.
UI sophomore Brian Crooks, 19, agreed.
"How it wasn't just about facts and figures," he said. "It was about family and stuff."
The night ended with local band "Atomic Bride" playing a handful of songs with Weinberg, head of Max Weinberg Seven.
"Vote what your heart tells you to do," Weinberg said earlier.
_________________ For your sake I hope heaven and hell are really there but I wouldn't hold my breath
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Man in Black wrote:
Ashton cares!!
Wednesday, October 27, 2004
Kutcher stumps for Kerry
1,500 turn out for rally in Iowa City
By Kristen Schorsch Iowa City Press-Citizen
Actor and Iowa native Ashton Kutcher takes time to greet fans at the edge of the crowd Tuesday night after speaking at Hubbard Park on the University of Iowa campus. Kutcher and others spoke at a rally for Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. Press-Citizen / Hannah van Zutphen-Kann
Ashton Kutcher says he won't get punk'd again.
"I got punked," Kutcher said of his vote for President Bush in 2000 and a reference to his MTV show "Punk'd." "I thought he was like me, a good old boy ... I know how to admit when I'm wrong, and man, am I wrong."
Kutcher and two other celebrities joined two stepsons of John Kerry on Tuesday to stump for the Democratic presidential candidate at the University of Iowa's Hubbard Park, drawing a mostly student crowd of about 1,500. Students listened to a flood of speeches encouraging the ousting of President Bush and the support of college-aged voters come Tuesday.
One such student was UI sophomore Kevin Hansen, 19, standing next to a stage that, minutes before, held the likes of actor and Iowa native Kutcher.
"It beat my expectations," Hansen said.
One by one, Ron Livingston from "Office Space," Max Weinberg from "Late Night with Conan O'Brien," Kerry's stepsons, Andre and Christopher Heinz, and Kutcher, who stars in "That '70s Show," wooed the audience standing behind gates and a string of small, yellow Hawkeye flags. Some of them have canvassed in Iowa while others have campaigned in Minnesota, Ohio and Pennsylvania as part of the "Get the Vote Out" tour.
"Here in Iowa, you have the mixed blessing of having caucuses," Christopher Heinz said.
Heinz also touted Kerry's values and how he earns people's respect.
Iowa City has had its fair share of celebrities campaigning for Kerry and his running mate, Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C. Actor Josh Hartnett, who starred in "Black Hawk Down" and "Pearl Harbor," stumped here Oct. 14. Musicians James Taylor and the Dixie Chicks played to an Oct.5 sold-out concert at Hancher Auditorium in conjunction with the Vote for Change Tour, a nationwide movement to oust Bush.
Wearing a brown corduroy jacket and an Iowa sweatshirt, Livingston talked about how much the young vote counts in a society that thinks young people don't care about politics.
"That's because they're not considering you to be here," he said. "They're not seeing what I'm seeing."
He encouraged students to get their parents to vote for Kerry and to volunteer to register voters.
Kutcher discussed most issues, including Bush not admitting to mistakes, the Iraqi war, health care and jobs. He used his Eastern Iowa roots to discuss middle class frustrations, including his grandmother who can't afford her house and high pharmaceutical costs, his uncle who was sent to Iraq, his sister who lost her job because of cuts to education and himself, a former UI student who once donated plasma to help pay for college.
Dressed in a self-made T-shirt and hat displaying her devotion to Kutcher, UI freshman Nabilah Irshad, 17, said she liked how Kutcher related to the common people.
UI sophomore Brian Crooks, 19, agreed.
"How it wasn't just about facts and figures," he said. "It was about family and stuff."
The night ended with local band "Atomic Bride" playing a handful of songs with Weinberg, head of Max Weinberg Seven.
"Vote what your heart tells you to do," Weinberg said earlier.
Holy shit! They're bringing out the big guns! Ashton Kutcher? I mean . . . take it from the horse's mouth -- no other American has suffered more under Bush than Ashton Kutcher. If he's voting for Kerry . . . then . . . well . . . Kerry's got my vote.
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Chris_H_2 wrote:
Man in Black wrote:
Ashton cares!!
Wednesday, October 27, 2004
Kutcher stumps for Kerry
1,500 turn out for rally in Iowa City
By Kristen Schorsch Iowa City Press-Citizen
Actor and Iowa native Ashton Kutcher takes time to greet fans at the edge of the crowd Tuesday night after speaking at Hubbard Park on the University of Iowa campus. Kutcher and others spoke at a rally for Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. Press-Citizen / Hannah van Zutphen-Kann
Ashton Kutcher says he won't get punk'd again.
"I got punked," Kutcher said of his vote for President Bush in 2000 and a reference to his MTV show "Punk'd." "I thought he was like me, a good old boy ... I know how to admit when I'm wrong, and man, am I wrong."
Kutcher and two other celebrities joined two stepsons of John Kerry on Tuesday to stump for the Democratic presidential candidate at the University of Iowa's Hubbard Park, drawing a mostly student crowd of about 1,500. Students listened to a flood of speeches encouraging the ousting of President Bush and the support of college-aged voters come Tuesday.
One such student was UI sophomore Kevin Hansen, 19, standing next to a stage that, minutes before, held the likes of actor and Iowa native Kutcher.
"It beat my expectations," Hansen said.
One by one, Ron Livingston from "Office Space," Max Weinberg from "Late Night with Conan O'Brien," Kerry's stepsons, Andre and Christopher Heinz, and Kutcher, who stars in "That '70s Show," wooed the audience standing behind gates and a string of small, yellow Hawkeye flags. Some of them have canvassed in Iowa while others have campaigned in Minnesota, Ohio and Pennsylvania as part of the "Get the Vote Out" tour.
"Here in Iowa, you have the mixed blessing of having caucuses," Christopher Heinz said.
Heinz also touted Kerry's values and how he earns people's respect.
Iowa City has had its fair share of celebrities campaigning for Kerry and his running mate, Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C. Actor Josh Hartnett, who starred in "Black Hawk Down" and "Pearl Harbor," stumped here Oct. 14. Musicians James Taylor and the Dixie Chicks played to an Oct.5 sold-out concert at Hancher Auditorium in conjunction with the Vote for Change Tour, a nationwide movement to oust Bush.
Wearing a brown corduroy jacket and an Iowa sweatshirt, Livingston talked about how much the young vote counts in a society that thinks young people don't care about politics.
"That's because they're not considering you to be here," he said. "They're not seeing what I'm seeing."
He encouraged students to get their parents to vote for Kerry and to volunteer to register voters.
Kutcher discussed most issues, including Bush not admitting to mistakes, the Iraqi war, health care and jobs. He used his Eastern Iowa roots to discuss middle class frustrations, including his grandmother who can't afford her house and high pharmaceutical costs, his uncle who was sent to Iraq, his sister who lost her job because of cuts to education and himself, a former UI student who once donated plasma to help pay for college.
Dressed in a self-made T-shirt and hat displaying her devotion to Kutcher, UI freshman Nabilah Irshad, 17, said she liked how Kutcher related to the common people.
UI sophomore Brian Crooks, 19, agreed.
"How it wasn't just about facts and figures," he said. "It was about family and stuff."
The night ended with local band "Atomic Bride" playing a handful of songs with Weinberg, head of Max Weinberg Seven.
"Vote what your heart tells you to do," Weinberg said earlier.
Holy shit! They're bringing out the big guns! Ashton Kutcher? I mean . . . take it from the horse's mouth -- no other American has suffered more under Bush than Ashton Kutcher. If he's voting for Kerry . . . then . . . well . . . Kerry's got my vote.
He sure has suffered.....He's pent up next to my building cuddling up with Demi in her triplex.......
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$üñ_Dë\/|L wrote:
Man in Black wrote:
I've been hearing for months now how this election is the most important of our lives (so much so Springsteen got involved!) and that voter apathy is a thing of the past and that if Bush is elected my kids will die in a war to liberate the Congo and conversely if Kerry is elected al-Qaeda will kill us all (provided we have no duct tape) and I've taken Sean Penn's advice and become fully informed on every possible issue and I still don't give a fuck who get's elected.
What is wrong with me?
The reason I don't care who's elected is because I feel both Bush and Kerry will screw America roughly the same amount.
I've been hearing for months now how this election is the most important of our lives (so much so Springsteen got involved!) and that voter apathy is a thing of the past and that if Bush is elected my kids will die in a war to liberate the Congo and conversely if Kerry is elected al-Qaeda will kill us all (provided we have no duct tape) and I've taken Sean Penn's advice and become fully informed on every possible issue and I still don't give a fuck who get's elected.
What is wrong with me?
Nothing. it's Stone's fault.
Actually, I think it has to do with the fact that back in days of yore, elections were won on the selling of dreams, now they're fought on nightmares. Who has the bigger bogeyman threat? The danger for politicians is that the electorate might stop caring.
This is a good and interesting read on the topic here.
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i don't think elections were ever based on selling dreams....well, at least not any time in recent history. this election is important but republicans are simply repackaging fear that was in play 20 - 30 years ago, in regards to the cold war. have you seen the commercial/propaganda with the pack of wolves....looks a little like me to the ad republicans put out 25 years ago with the bear that represented the "big bad animal" that was communism. that's not to say that this election isn't important. it's possibly the most important one that the nation may face for a while. it's just really politics as usual in my mind
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try living in a developing economy. it may open your mind. maybe your political letargy comes from living in the eye of the storm, being in the center of the power, but not affected by it, while the rest of the world is being blown away. for us down here, it's a lose/lose negotiation. Bush will keep the world at war, Kerry means to revise all multilateral trade agreements, according to the Democrat protectionist policy. we're fucked either way. but, who cares, right? as long as you supersize yourselves, feeding on the powerless when your cup's already overfilled...
try living in a developing economy. it may open your mind. maybe your political letargy comes from living in the eye of the storm, being in the center of the power, but not affected by it, while the rest of the world is being blown away. for us down here, it's a lose/lose negotiation. Bush will keep the world at war, Kerry means to revise all multilateral trade agreements, according to the Democrat protectionist policy. we're fucked either way. but, who cares, right? as long as you supersize yourselves, feeding on the powerless when your cup's already overfilled...
Unfortunately, it's a lose/lose situation here, also(regarding our choice for president).
I do see your point about living elsewhere in the world.
We Americans(myself included) do take a lot for granted.
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neo-cons.
