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OK, here's a little request I have that might turn into a discussion.
We're having a Patriots Day here at the Boys & Girls Club where I work tomorrow. I want to get a list of people that could be considered "patriots". We all know the obvious answers, like Jefferson, Washington, etc., but I want to also include some more uncommon names in the fold.
I think MLK Jr. would easily qualify. Any other good names to throw around?
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frederick douglass
bill gates (if only for the incredible amount of money he's given to this country through various charities, and investing in organizations)
George Patton
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If by patriot you mean someone who thinks American lives are worth than the lives in other nations and wants to control the world through illegal and immoral wars, then pick Bush & Cheney.
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Michael C. Ruppert
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towelie wrote:
I think instead you should discuss with the children the vague and meaningless nature of the word "patriot."
Good idea, dipshit.
Meaningless? If you are just trying to be funny or edgy, fine, but if you actually believe that, I suggest you visit the historical sites and graveyards that dot the East Coast of this fine country and see if you still have the balls to call that word meaningless.
Edit: In response to your question GH, I would say Nathan Hale would be a good choice. He may not get mentioned up there with the big names, but his youthful energy had an impact on the revolution. A patriot indeed.
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Cpt. Murphy wrote:
towelie wrote:
I think instead you should discuss with the children the vague and meaningless nature of the word "patriot."
Good idea, dipshit.
Meaningless? If you are just trying to be funny or edgy, fine, but if you actually believe that, I suggest you visit the historical sites and graveyards that dot the East Coast of this fine country and see if you still have the balls to call that word meaningless.
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Cpt. Murphy wrote:
towelie wrote:
I think instead you should discuss with the children the vague and meaningless nature of the word "patriot."
Good idea, dipshit.
Meaningless? If you are just trying to be funny or edgy, fine, but if you actually believe that, I suggest you visit the historical sites and graveyards that dot the East Coast of this fine country and see if you still have the balls to call that word meaningless.
haha are you serious? get an education. people like you probably call the soldiers patriots too. hate to break it to you, but brain-washing the poor into thinking they are fighting for freedom is not patriotic. Sure its been happening in this country since 1776, but it's always the same story: rich people trick the poor people/poor people die/rich people consolidate their power. never changes
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What the fuck is up your guys' asses? It's a fucking vague word. How about "important Americans" or even "greatest Americans?" Patriotism, and being a patriot, has lost all meaning in this day of Support the Troops magnets and flag waving. Someone might think that anti-war people are more patriotic than pro-war people. It's a subjective term. Some people think MLK is a patriot--well, head down south and ask some people around there what they think of him. Maybe head by a Klan rally, and ask who some of their patriots are. I don't know where you two get off calling me a dipshit for no apparent reason.
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alive888 wrote:
Cpt. Murphy wrote:
towelie wrote:
I think instead you should discuss with the children the vague and meaningless nature of the word "patriot."
Good idea, dipshit.
Meaningless? If you are just trying to be funny or edgy, fine, but if you actually believe that, I suggest you visit the historical sites and graveyards that dot the East Coast of this fine country and see if you still have the balls to call that word meaningless.
haha are you serious? get an education. people like you probably call the soldiers patriots too. hate to break it to you, but brain-washing the poor into thinking they are fighting for freedom is not patriotic. Sure its been happening in this country since 1776, but it's always the same story: rich people trick the poor people/poor people die/rich people consolidate their power. never changes
You tell them to get an education? Do you know what the word patriot even means?
Regardless of the reasons for any war, fighting for your country is patriotic. Even more so when the soldiers in question don't believe in the causes for the war.
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washmykev wrote:
Regardless of the reasons for any war, fighting for your country is patriotic. Even more so when the soldiers in question don't believe in the causes for the war.
OK, well, I think a soldier that wouldn't fight because he didn't believe in the causes for war is more of a patriot than those who blindly follow orders. So what does that tell you about the word being vague and meaningless?
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I think instead you should discuss with the children the vague and meaningless nature of the word "patriot."
Good idea, dipshit.
Meaningless? If you are just trying to be funny or edgy, fine, but if you actually believe that, I suggest you visit the historical sites and graveyards that dot the East Coast of this fine country and see if you still have the balls to call that word meaningless.
haha are you serious? get an education. people like you probably call the soldiers patriots too. hate to break it to you, but brain-washing the poor into thinking they are fighting for freedom is not patriotic. Sure its been happening in this country since 1776, but it's always the same story: rich people trick the poor people/poor people die/rich people consolidate their power. never changes
actually, that happens in pretty much every country in the world.
then again, every country needs to find the historic characters that better fit the description of patriotic so that they can have someone(s) to look up to... just for the sake of tradition at least.
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Quote:
You tell them to get an education? Do you know what the word patriot even means?
Regardless of the reasons for any war, fighting for your country is patriotic. Even more so when the soldiers in question don't believe in the causes for the war.
ha ok, then please tell me what the word patriot means!!! I know for me it doesnt involve killing innocent foreigners, but maybe I'm just old-fashioned
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alive888 wrote:
Quote:
You tell them to get an education? Do you know what the word patriot even means?
Regardless of the reasons for any war, fighting for your country is patriotic. Even more so when the soldiers in question don't believe in the causes for the war.
ha ok, then please tell me what the word patriot means!!! I know for me it doesnt involve killing innocent foreigners, but maybe I'm just old-fashioned
Your arguments are so full of conjecture and oversimplification that it is impossible to have a coherent conversation with you. Who said ANYTHING about killing innocent foreigners? If you want to get in an argument with someone about the validity of some war, go somewhere else.
The word Patriot is only as vague as you make it. A patriot is someone who puts their country ahead of their own life, and sacrifices for the good of the cause. Many soldiers and leaders did this in the revolution and throughout history. It's a fact.
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