i hope bush and blair realize they are equally responsible for these attacks as anyone. when you commit terrorist attacks in afghanistan and iraq(bombing civilians), it comes back to your own people. this is another reason why war does not beget peace, only more violence.

I guess they were responsible for the WTC too?

of course. when you train osama bin laden and give him weapons, and then steal their oil, what do you expect?

Yeah, it's all about 9/11 huh?

Yeah people act like 9/11 was the fucking Genesis of the world of terror. 9/11 happened because of foreign policy and decisons politicaly and most likely militarily. But too much of america has been trained like zombies (not you Pjdoll, im saying in general) to associate everythign now with 9/11 and Iraq because of clever vocab and connection theories when they have no backbone....so now we are all trianed to think that anything happens, its Iraq....when there isnt even anyone leading Iraq to cause this!!!

For as...."retarded" for lack of a better word, as i feel the right conservative powers come across to me, they sure have done one hell of ajob in swindling these situations towards justifcation for their intolerable actions.

I expect him to behave like a civilized human being instead of the blood thirsty monster that he is.

Your post blaming two governments for the actions of religious zealots is nauseating, btw.

No, it isn't, but it isn't all about Bush & Blair being in the middle east right now either, is it? If it were, there would have been no attacks on 9/11, right?

did you not see the "official" message....even if it isnt that group that posted it, they make specific point of the British invasion as the reason to this.

Yeah Kelli, the American and British governments have never been bloodthirsty, right? We're so great and good, we've never done anything to deserve being attacked, right? 9/11 was completely unprovoked, right? And I think what you're failing to see is that the actions of religious zealots like George W. Bush are doing just as much to continue this cycle as those on the other side.

No shit, really?

So they attack us, we attack them, they attack everyone and it's somehow our fault.

Got it.

We aren't the holy ones here either. I never claimed that, but reading justifications for these attacks is disgusting.

1. 9/11 happened because of policy and ignorance of warnings listed by Osama and these groups, who we thought couldnt do this. This stemmed from pre-9/11 policies

2. We invaded Iraq because of 9/11

3. Now they have even more incentive because of 9/11

4. They claimed in the statement it was because of the British invasion on their land.

I dont understand why you refuse to acknowledge these stem from our governemnts actions

The Western world definitely caused events that led to 9/11. That is crystal clear.

Whether the Western world is to blame for 9/11 is a completely different can of worms to debate.

To say we are completely blameless in all of this is ludicrous. Fucking ludicrous and ignorant.

Reading apoligies from the American government for dropping fucking bombs on children is pretty fucking disgusting too, don't you think? There's a difference between justifying something and trying to understand the root of its cause.

seriously

Somehow, reading "this is what you get" bothers me more.

I'm going to do some construction on this thread, because the latest discussion warrants its own thread.

The truth isn't always easy to swallow.

I'd like to voice an objection to the title of this thread. "Who's to Blame" implies that there is one wrong side and one right side, and this issue goes much deeper than that.