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This is the biggest load of bullshit inconsistent "moral values" when it suits I have ever heard.
How can you be pro war (where innocent life will be lost because of military action) and be anti stem cell research. If the barrier to stem cell research is the loss of unborn life then how can you support military action which will absolutely cause the loss of innocent life.
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Its kinda hard to discuss something when its already determined to be bullshit. I don't actually have anything of substance to add, if you couldn't tell.
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TS808 wrote:
This is the biggest load of bullshit inconsistent "moral values" when it suits I have ever heard.
How can you be pro war (where innocent life will be lost because of military action) and be anti stem cell research. If the barrier to stem cell research is the loss of unborn life then how can you support military action which will absolutely cause the loss of innocent life.
Bullshit.
Discuss.
I think stem cell research is fine, I believe war is neccasary, and I am against abortion. I'm against war, but I understand the need for it. Trying to simplify the arguement to hypocrisy doesn't really work. I believe in war in order to preserve life, even in the case that innocent people die. I think a just war in the end will save more lives so therefore it is justified. With abortion, I do not believe that the federal government should mandate a law banning it, but personally I think it is fucked up and disgusting. With stem cells I just see them as useful thingymickjiggers that at a scientific level can help humanity as a whole. I don't see why I cannot have these seperate opinions on completly unrelated matters and avoid contradicting myself. I don't see life under some narrow banner that cannot be stretched and toyed with.
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TS808 wrote:
This is the biggest load of bullshit inconsistent "moral values" when it suits I have ever heard.
How can you be pro war (where innocent life will be lost because of military action) and be anti stem cell research. If the barrier to stem cell research is the loss of unborn life then how can you support military action which will absolutely cause the loss of innocent life.
Bullshit.
Discuss.
You could say the same thing for "anti-war" and "pro-choice" though...
I think I agree with the person above who said this way of framing the debate oversimplifies two issues which are anything but.
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If Soundgarden is perfectly fine with playing together with Tad Doyle on vocals, why the fuck is he wasting his life promoting the single worst album of all time? Holy shit, he has to be the stupidest motherfucker on earth.
its not that we are out looking for a war, and if there isnt one, lets make one. its that we dont disagree with the iraq war. i know its hard for folks to understand because most of you are so anti bush/conservatives, but there is a difference
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some conservative wrote:
How can you claim to support the life of soldiers while supporting the killing of babies?
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TS808 wrote:
This is the biggest load of bullshit inconsistent "moral values" when it suits I have ever heard.
How can you be pro war (where innocent life will be lost because of military action) and be anti stem cell research. If the barrier to stem cell research is the loss of unborn life then how can you support military action which will absolutely cause the loss of innocent life.
Bullshit.
Discuss.
While you are oversimplifying everything:
Considering that abortion is used as a means of "birth control" over 90% of the time--as opposed to medical need--wouldn't it be OK to be "pro war" so long as at least 10% of the casualties caused by said war were "military related"? It's a bit more complex than that, obviously.
I find it curious how many people believe stem cell research is A-OK, but God forbid we test experimental medicines on a rabbit--that would be going to far!
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Chris_H_2 wrote:
B wrote:
some conservative wrote:
How can you claim to support the life of soldiers while supporting the killing of babies?
I guess the same way those that are Pro-Choice can support abortion and yet be against the dealth penalty on grounds of morality.
I'm against the death penalty because I don't think the government take the responsibility of killing any of its citizens.
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it is similarly inconsistant that people have a problem w/stem cell research, but do not have a problem with couples harvesting eggs, maybe fertilizing them and/or maybe disgarding them? Should we be allowed to play God ever? or just when a upper middle class couple wants to have a baby. God forbid they should have to adopt.
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Chris_H_2 wrote:
B wrote:
Chris_H_2 wrote:
B wrote:
some conservative wrote:
How can you claim to support the life of soldiers while supporting the killing of babies?
I guess the same way those that are Pro-Choice can support abortion and yet be against the dealth penalty on grounds of morality.
I'm against the death penalty because I don't think the government take the responsibility of killing any of its citizens.
What about non-citizens?
them too.
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How can you claim to support the life of soldiers while supporting the killing of babies?
I guess the same way those that are Pro-Choice can support abortion and yet be against the dealth penalty on grounds of morality.
no body is supporting abortion, Its just one fucking thing I dont want some old white guy deciding for me, its the decision not the action thats important. If we dont have the right our wombs might as well be possessions of the gover't.
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If only Bush was Pro-War and Pro-Abortion:
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News flash: Every single murderer, rapist, and terrorist has been an unaborted fetus. Look in a history textbook, you will never find information about an abortion blowing something up, killing a jew, or flying an airplane into a building.
Instead of fighting the Middle East, we could have used all the funding on international pro-choice campaigns. Osama himself would probably have been aborted. If that were the case, September 11th would have never happened and 3000+ people would still be alive, no thanks to you stubborn anti-everything renegades.
More examples of unaborted babies:
1. The Columbine Crew 2. Michael Jackson 3. Beyonce Knowles
Unaborted babies shoot up their school, molest children, and make shitty music.I don't even see why people want to have babies, it's insane. You could A) party all the time and not give a shit, or B) work two full-time jobs, get three hours of sleep each night, wipe a little maggot's ass EVERY DAY for four years, the list goes on. That's right, massage something's colon for four whole entire years. I don't think I've done anything for four years, maybe attended school, but there I don't have to clean up shit, only listen to it.
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jacktor wrote:
it is similarly inconsistant that people have a problem w/stem cell research, but do not have a problem with couples harvesting eggs, maybe fertilizing them and/or maybe disgarding them? Should we be allowed to play God ever? or just when a upper middle class couple wants to have a baby. God forbid they should have to adopt.
You obviously weren't around for the "fetus adoption" debate.
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I don't actually have anything of substance to add, if you couldn't tell.
