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Star Wars III: The Curse of Pregnancy
By Kimi Eisele, AlterNet. Posted May 25, 2005.

Why does Padme spend this movie sentenced to an idle life at home in tearful silence? Is this what pregnancy does to women?


I learned long ago to leave my feminist sensibilities at movie theater doors, particularly when the feature is an overly hyped and commercialized blockbuster. So when I agreed to my partner's request that we go see Star Wars, Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith last weekend, I didn't expect much in the way of enlightened female characters.

Escaping the 100-degree desert heat, I settled in for some air-conditioned entertainment. And I got it.

And then, despite my best efforts, I got bugged.

Not because of the stilted and often ridiculous dialogue, or because of the seemingly endless light saber fight scenes. But because the single female character in the film was nothing more than a weepy girl, distressed and overdressed.

Of course when I was 6 and watched the first Star Wars movie, things weren't much better. For a few minutes we had Luke Skywalker's aunt. Then we had Princess Leia, who first appears as a mini-hologram and then as a kidnapped victim awaiting rescue, the classic damsel in distress. Though Leia gets more substantive as the film goes on, she's still mostly a sex symbol. But that was the 1970s.

It's 2005. We're well into the 21st century. Hell, this is sci-fi. We're well into the future. Why did this film feel like the Dark Ages?

Padme reminded me of all those disconnected and discarded mothers and wives of 19th century literature. Hester Prynne, Madame Bovary, and Charlotte Perkins Gilman's famed (and unnamed) protagonist in "The Yellow Wallpaper."

These women were bored, isolated, and stuck in society's limited expectations of them and much of their purpose and meaning depended on their husbands or fathers. Trapped and insignificant, it seemed the only power they had was to take their own lives--which they often did.

Despite the futuristic age in which she lives, things aren't much brighter for Padme, whose pregnancy renders her oddly helpless. Though supposedly a member of the Galactic Senate, she does little more than sit listlessly in an oversized living room watching the passing hovercraft and the multiple sunsets, waiting for her belly to grow and for Anakin to come home. The only thing that changes are her outfits.

According to the story, Padme was a talented and educated girl from the planet of Naboo. She became an apprentice legislator by age 11 and by 14 was the planet's queen. A principled ruler, she fought illegal occupations and cleverly restored freedom to her planet. When her term as Queen ended, she remained active in public service and became an outspoken senator, championing peaceful solutions to the galactic wars.

So what happened? Why does Padme spend this movie sentenced to an idle life at home in tearful silence? Is this what pregnancy does to women?

I'm wondering because for the past year or two I've been thinking about having a kid myself. Now, added to my usual litany of questions--do I have the money, will I still have time to write, can my body handle it--I'm wondering if pregnancy itself will make me lonely and dull. Will I become like Padme, stuck on the sofa, isolated, brushing my hair for hours, waiting for my partner to come home from work?

In my effort to answer the "Should I have a baby?" question, I spend a lot of time looking for role models. I look for mothers who still make it to book club, stay up on current events and show up for the dinner party. I look for pregnant women who read more than just mothering magazines, who dance and go running and converse about things other than diapers and babysitters. In short, I look for mothers and mothers-to-be who are active, smart women who still make it to Galactic Senate meetings.

I find nothing of the sort in Padme.

Of course, this is Hollywood. I should know better. But something strange has happened in the midst of my baby deliberations. The prospect of motherhood has opened up in me a sense of optimism. True, the world is a mess; true, Hollywood blockbuster films do little to challenge our brains; true, female characters in sci-fi movies seemly sadly un-evolved. But that doesn't mean I can't hope for something else.

After all, isn't science fiction supposed to stretch the boundaries of what is and lead us to a world of what if? What if Padme, pregnant and all, had kicked cyborg ass, used her diplomatic brain, and stood up for Jedi power? Then what?

Okay, I'm tampering with the storyline. But beyond Star Wars, if female characters in 21st-century science fiction sagas were smart, well-rounded, and consistently active participants in the drama, maybe they'd give young girls, women and mothers-to-be a hopeful world to look forward to. Instead of a sorry one to look back upon.

Kimi Eisele is a freelance writer and the writing director for Voices, Inc., a Tucson, Ariz.-based nonprofit that mentors teenagers in the documentary arts.



http://www.alternet.org/story/22085/

This might be an A&E topic, but I know we have a lot of intelligent, educated mothers in the forum, so I thought I'd post here. Depending upon where and if the debate goes, please move if appropriate.

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Okay, so Padame was pathetic in the movie: but the movie was about Anakin, not Padame.

But in the book she does do a whole lot more.

So yes, this portrayal of a pregnant woman is no better than the over the top stereotype ickiness of Jar Jar, but Lucas is nortorious for ignoring those finer points of secondary character development and focusing all his energy on his main characters.

Being pregnant does not equal helplessness, rather I think of it as an empowering state for women. And I seriously question any woman who goes to the movies to seek out a "pregnancy role model". I seriouly question anyone who goes to the movies who seeks any kind of role model at all.

Unfortunately, stereotypes are a foundation of movie characters... otherwise how would the movie writers ever get the audience to know and understand the character in such a short period of time? Movies rely on these stereotypes in order to move the story along.

That is more than I thought I'd have to say on the topic...

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And I seriously question any woman who goes to the movies to seek out a "pregnancy role model". I seriouly question anyone who goes to the movies who seeks any kind of role model at all.


I don't think she's saying that she was "looking" for a role model in that movie, or that other adult women should, but she does express concern for young girls, and I think kids do learn behaviors, norms, and expectations from watching their heroes in movies.

They downplayed Padme in this movie, but look at how they played her up as a hero Queen in the previous two movies. They solidified the little girl fan base only to cut Padme's legs out from under her in the third act. I'm not really knocking Lucas, but it's something worth chewing on.

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The more I reflect on this movie, and the more points that are brought to my attention, I really wonder What the fuck is wrong with George Lucas? Is he from an old bygone generation lost or out of touch? Not only has he turned Padme into pastsy, but he has rendered the future of womens liberation movement into dismal failure. What we do learn from this movie is that in the future medicine for men is still better than medicine for women(no female viagra for sure). Anakin falls into a volcano and they are able to put him back together but Padme dies of a broken heart? WTF.


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The more I reflect on this movie, and the more points that are brought to my attention, I really wonder What the fuck is wrong with George Lucas? Is he from an old bygone generation lost or out of touch? Not only has he turned Padme into pastsy, but he has rendered the future of womens liberation movement into dismal failure. What we do learn from this movie is that in the future medicine for men is still better than medicine for women(no female viagra for sure). Anakin falls into a volcano and they are able to put him back together but Padme dies of a broken heart? WTF.


As far as "Lucas, the artist" I think he drew his inspiration from old movies that had extravagant, spade debutants, so that's what comes out in his movie.

For Anakin's survival and Padme's demise, I'm sure Lucas would spout some bullshit about Anakin's furious hate and drive for revenge ... blah, blah, blah.

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again, in Lucas' defense, the whole story is that Padame was leading the anti-Palpatine crowd, about 1000 senators. She went to Palpatine with a small contingent and tried to get him to see their concerns about his gobbling of power.

We all know how dangerous Palpatine is. She became an enemy and Palpatine manipulated Anakin into thinking that she was a traitor.

That did not make it into the movie, and that is too bad. Especially as what B said is true: she as a VERY strong female character and a good role model for girls in the first two movies.

And also about the movie, her helplessness is more about the entire situation: that she was helpless to stop the events unfolding before her, as was everyone else really. The only one who had control was Palpatine, but we did not know it until the end. But this was not communicated well in the movie either.

Princess Leia: now there is a role model. I still want to be Princess Leia when I grow up...

I could talk about this for days, so I'll stop.

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Princess Leia: now there is a role model. I still want to be Princess Leia when I grow up...


You mean the helpless princess who had to be rescued from the Death Star by Luke & Han, the Hoth invasion by Han, the Cloud City invasion by Lando, and Jabba's Palace by Luke?


I'm going to go off-topic for a second ... can I just say that "you have to read the book" is an all-around shitty excuse. If I can't fully enjoy a movie in absence of supplemental reading, it's a bad movie.

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I'm going to go off-topic for a second ... can I just say that "you have to read the book" is an all-around shitty excuse. If I can't fully enjoy a movie in absence of supplemental reading, it's a bad movie.


I'm with you there. Especially when I'm quite certain Lucas intended the films to be his vision, not the books.

As for this whole debate, I don't see why Lucas should be burdened with holding Padme up as some great hero for little girls. That's not the point of the movie. It's pure science fiction entertainment, and nothing else. If parents are looking to Star Wars characters as role models for their children, they need to look elsewhere.

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Away from the topic of sexism in a galaxy far far away. It pisses me off how apathetic we are as americans. We have pretty much financed the life of George Lucas. I feel since my parents bought so many of those toys in the early 80's and that my husband and I have purchsed VHS/DVDs that we are in turn stock holders of Lucas Films. And as per usual we have taken the utter piece of shit movies(ep I, II, III) that he has given us and lapped them up. Lucas is like the Bush administration of the film industry. He has strived for mediocrity, and played to the lowest common denominator. Its pathetic really and we still would line up like idiots to buy his shit, just like some people lined up to vote for the prodigal son. We just keep bending ove and taking it. As you can tell this is a sore subject. :oops: I am apologizing in advance for my comparison as not to offend Lucas fans :wink:


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As for this whole debate, I don't see why Lucas should be burdened with holding Padme up as some great hero for little girls. That's not the point of the movie. It's pure science fiction entertainment, and nothing else. If parents are looking to Star Wars characters as role models for their children, they need to look elsewhere.


Well, shit, he's the one that built her up as a great hero in I and II. There's no reason she couldn't have kicked ass in this one and ended up as more than a barefoot mother and domestic violence victim.

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B wrote:
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As for this whole debate, I don't see why Lucas should be burdened with holding Padme up as some great hero for little girls. That's not the point of the movie. It's pure science fiction entertainment, and nothing else. If parents are looking to Star Wars characters as role models for their children, they need to look elsewhere.


Well, shit, he's the one that built her up as a great hero in I and II. There's no reason she couldn't have kicked ass in this one and ended up as more than a barefoot mother and domestic violence victim.


Well, I don't think he purposefully made the decision to knock her down to nothing. He just didn't need her that much to tell the story about Anakin that everyone was actually there to see. I think people are looking for far too much from a plot-line that doesn't have much depth to explore.

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B wrote:
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Princess Leia: now there is a role model. I still want to be Princess Leia when I grow up...


You mean the helpless princess who had to be rescued from the Death Star by Luke & Han, the Hoth invasion by Han, the Cloud City invasion by Lando, and Jabba's Palace by Luke?


I'm going to go off-topic for a second ... can I just say that "you have to read the book" is an all-around shitty excuse. If I can't fully enjoy a movie in absence of supplemental reading, it's a bad movie.


nope:

I mean the princess who was the senator from Alderaan at a very young age (like her mum) and leader of the rebellion against the empire.

I mean the princess who managed to get the distress message to Obi Wan thru Artoo, thereby bringing the whole gang together.

I mean the princess who was able to withstand Darth Vader's interogation technique.

I mean the princess who thought of jumping into the garbage chute to escape the stormtroopers.

I mean the princess who strangled Jabba the Hutt in gold bikini.

I mean the princess who drove those speeder bike thru the forest like a maniac.

"Lord Vader, only you could be so bold"

"Aren't you a little short for a storm trooper?"

"General Tarkin, I recognized your foul stench when I was brought on board"

"Into the garbage chute, flyboy!"

"From now on you do as I say."

"I am NOT a committe!"

"LUKE! IT'S A TRAAAAAP!!"


Must I continue?

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I mean the princess who thought of jumping into the garbage chute to escape the stormtroopers.


That nearly got Luke killed!!!

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I mean the princess who drove those speeder bike thru the forest like a maniac.


And wrecked it like a woman driver!

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Princess Leia: now there is a role model. I still want to be Princess Leia when I grow up...


You mean the helpless princess who had to be rescued from the Death Star by Luke & Han, the Hoth invasion by Han, the Cloud City invasion by Lando, and Jabba's Palace by Luke?


I'm going to go off-topic for a second ... can I just say that "you have to read the book" is an all-around shitty excuse. If I can't fully enjoy a movie in absence of supplemental reading, it's a bad movie.


nope:

I mean the princess who was the senator from Alderaan at a very young age (like her mum) and leader of the rebellion against the empire.

I mean the princess who managed to get the distress message to Obi Wan thru Artoo, thereby bringing the whole gang together.

I mean the princess who was able to withstand Darth Vader's interogation technique.

I mean the princess who thought of jumping into the garbage chute to escape the stormtroopers.

I mean the princess who strangled Jabba the Hutt in gold bikini.

I mean the princess who drove those speeder bike thru the forest like a maniac.

"Lord Vader, only you could be so bold"

"Aren't you a little short for a storm trooper?"

"General Tarkin, I recognized your foul stench when I was brought on board"

"Into the garbage chute, flyboy!"

"From now on you do as I say."

"I am NOT a committe!"

"LUKE! IT'S A TRAAAAAP!!"


Must I continue?


ummm you two nerds realize none of this actually happened, right?

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We're talking about the portrayal of women in movies, Peeps. Particularly sci-fi. We're well grounded in reality here.

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Peeps wrote:

ummm you two nerds realize none of this actually happened, right?


:shock:

No...no...nononononononooooooo!

*hides in corner and sucks thumb*

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The only greater tragedy in Ep. III than Padme becoming a worthless emotionally-wrought paperweight is Vader's Frankenstein impersonation at the end of the movie.

But despite the complaints of the original author... she must realize that despite correlations Lucas makes with todays geopolitical soap-operas, it is after all, a bit of fiction in a galaxy far, far away. And that's what it will always be.


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genxgirl wrote:
I mean the princess who thought of jumping into the garbage chute to escape the stormtroopers.


That nearly got Luke killed!!!

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I mean the princess who drove those speeder bike thru the forest like a maniac.


And wrecked it like a woman driver!


You're taunting me...you half-wited, scruffy-looking, NERF HERDER! :wink:

1) the garbage chute nearly killed all of them, but it was a less certain death than staying in the hall and being shot/caught by the storm troopers

2) Luke wrecked his, too. And they both wrecked the storm troopers' bikes...

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It's just a fucking story lady. Get over it. There are plenty of women out there that are just as weepy, distressed, and overdressed, and there are plenty of intelligent, hard-working, determined women. Why is it Hollywood's job to make sure every female role portrays the latter?

Like Go_State said, if you're looking for role models in a Star Wars movie you've got issues.

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In Lucas's defense, he is one of the worst writers of all time.


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