I understand this is an extremely radical move and I'm not suggesting it, but is there honestly any feasible way that is more effective than saying to Muslim countries "If you don't hand over Osama Bin Laden in 72 hours we're going to begin nuclear operations?" Just forget about world politics for a second... strictly in terms of getting rid of terrorism... I mean, diplomacy with these cats is out of the question... I heard today that one of the fathers of one of the 9/11 terrorists is giving his entire fortune (or whatever) to Muslim extremists... I really can't see an end to the cycle of these kinds of attacks ever... I'm not familiar with this forum and I may just be some Texas yokell, but I'd like to hear what everybody thinks on the issue... do we sit back and let them take digs at us? I'm just not sure what the right thing to do is right now (and no, I'm not actually thinking of nuking the entire middle east).
Once again, I'm not suggesting anything... we're speaking in hypotheticals here, but other than blowing them off the planet I can't conceive of anything else that would really put an end to endless bag checks and insane security
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I've made some suggestions at this approach before... but I differ in the way the desired outcome would come about.
Under my version...
- The West nukes the Middle East. This creates fury throughout the world to the extent that hundreds of thousands of people are willing to turn into terrorists.
- We have a wave of terrorist attacks in the West that would make 9/11 look like a birthday party.
- And after the worst is over, people around the world realise that killing each other in the name of political causes only serves to continue the vicious cycle.
- We live happily ever after. Well, at least until this episode fades from memory. 2 generations maybe? Isn't that pretty much as long as it took for us to forget WWII?
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Would destroying entire areas of the world not be terrorism in and of itself? Therefore the world would not be rid of it.
Well if we're going that route, I think every society at one point or another has been a terrorist group... the defintion of terrorism is pretty broad.
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I vote that we try just leaving them all the fuck alone, putting the money we spend fighting them into developing an alternative fuel source to oil, and let them lie in whatever bed they make for themselves first. If that didn't work, I'd say go ahead and nuke them.
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I vote that we try just leaving them all the fuck alone, putting the money we spend fighting them into developing an alternative fuel source to oil, and let them lie in whatever bed they make for themselves first. If that didn't work, I'd say go ahead and nuke them.
They're going to try to fuck our shit up no matter what we do... I don't think there's any way to avoid it.
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parchy wrote:
Serjical Strike wrote:
I vote that we try just leaving them all the fuck alone, putting the money we spend fighting them into developing an alternative fuel source to oil, and let them lie in whatever bed they make for themselves first. If that didn't work, I'd say go ahead and nuke them.
They're going to try to fuck our shit up no matter what we do... I don't think there's any way to avoid it.
No, they really aren't and it's ignorant to say so.
Read anything at all related to why the West is being attacked. It is quite simply because of our meddling in the middle East. Period.
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Athletic Supporter wrote:
It is quite simply because of our meddling in the middle East. Period.
Bingo.
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If Soundgarden is perfectly fine with playing together with Tad Doyle on vocals, why the fuck is he wasting his life promoting the single worst album of all time? Holy shit, he has to be the stupidest motherfucker on earth.
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with osama bin laden dead will terrorism stop? and if he is killed by american/allied forces or taken by them will it make it berr or worse? I find it hard to see how the world is going to resolve this situation. As Tony Blair said yesterday we can't give in to them and as johnny said with him no government in our countries will be ruled by terrorism
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The real question then is how do we scale back the meddling as swiftly as possible without fucking the joint up big time? 'Cos let's be honest, a full and immediate withdrawal from Iraq, for instance, has far too high a probability of doing more harm than good.
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If Soundgarden is perfectly fine with playing together with Tad Doyle on vocals, why the fuck is he wasting his life promoting the single worst album of all time? Holy shit, he has to be the stupidest motherfucker on earth.
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tommyphillips wrote:
shades-go-down wrote:
Athletic Supporter wrote:
It is quite simply because of our meddling in the middle East. Period.
Bingo.
I disagree this started before the meddling began
Read history. Recognise. Change mind. I'm giving you a guarantee here.
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tommyphillips wrote:
not just the US. Can you tell me what happened in Bali on october 12 2002?
Bunch of Muslim extremists aligned themselves to the cause of al-Qaeda and attacked a touristy spot killing some 250-300 people... mostly Aussies.
What's your point?
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If Soundgarden is perfectly fine with playing together with Tad Doyle on vocals, why the fuck is he wasting his life promoting the single worst album of all time? Holy shit, he has to be the stupidest motherfucker on earth.
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it was before iraq... take 2 so my point is if your statments about this happening because of our meddling in the middle east is in relation to the recent war then not only did 9/11 happen before the meddling in iraq but so did many other terrorist attacks
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tommyphillips wrote:
it was before iraq... take 2 so my point is if your statments about this happening because of our meddling in the middle east is in relation to the recent war then not only did 9/11 happen before the meddling in iraq but so did many other terrorist attacks
You're confiningyour analysis a little too short term in my opinion. Western meddling in the Middle East has been happening since the fall of the Ottoman empire. It has barely stopped since. You really should read up on it if you want to understand the situation a little more deeply. You may very well disagree with it in the end taking the "I don't believe they are aggrieved about things that happened so many years ago" line.
Maybe I can dig up an article from Lexis. Gimme 10.
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If Soundgarden is perfectly fine with playing together with Tad Doyle on vocals, why the fuck is he wasting his life promoting the single worst album of all time? Holy shit, he has to be the stupidest motherfucker on earth.
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yes sure now im willing to say that it may be because of the meddling but my point is its not because of the war in iraq solely so we are arguing the same point
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tommyphillips wrote:
yes sure now im willing to say that it may be because of the meddling but my point is its not because of the war in iraq solely so we are arguing the same point
It's not just the war in Iraq - you are definitely right in saying that.
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