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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:15 am 
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I have often heard on this board, that nothing bad happens when you use pot, how about when you buy it?

this kid lives about 1000 feet from me across a ravine. I knew his mother in highschool

just some background, west aliquippa, you do not go there except for two reasons, you live there, or are looking to score some drugs. thats IT, no other reason. it used to be a thriving community back in the 60-70's. all the houses were owned by steel plant workers and it was a fun place, i ivividly remember some picnics there (my father worked in the tin mill) down there, and it was nice, then the 80's came, the mills shut down, and it is the definition of the word ghetto around here.


HOPEWELL TWP. - The Hopewell Township teen who was savagely beaten and left along the banks of the Ohio River last week bought $30 worth of marijuana shortly before the attack, according to search warrants obtained by Hopewell police.

Jeremy Delon, 15, suffered severe head injuries when one or more attackers hit him with a baseball bat, slit his throat and stabbed him at least once in the chest Thursday and left him in a secluded area along the river.

Delon has been in critical condition at Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh since the attack.

On Monday and Tuesday, Hopewell police obtained eight search warrants in its investigation of the incident.

The warrants sought all records related to seven different cell phone accounts and the right to search a vehicle that was parked near the river.

It's unclear whom each of the cell phones belonged to, according to an affidavit of probable cause attached to the warrants. The affidavit added that Beaver County Detective Capt. Anthony McClure saw baseball bats, a knife and what appeared to be blood on the vehicle they obtained a warrant to search; the vehicle was impounded last week.

According to the affidavit, Delon and friends of his who were not identified scraped together $30 among them for the purpose of buying marijuana.

The friends told police that they drove Delon to the West Aliquippa section of Aliquippa and dropped him off near the house of a teen Delon knew and intended to buy the marijuana from.

The West Aliquippa teen told police that he told Delon he did not have any marijuana, but would call a 17-year-old friend of his who lived near Kennywood Park in West Mifflin to see whether he had any to sell, according to the affidavit. The Kennywood-area teen said he did and agreed to drive to West Aliquippa.

The West Aliquippa teen told police his friend from the Kennywood area arrived "20 to 40 minutes" later and the transaction was made, after which the three young men smoked some marijuana together, the affidavit said. The West Aliquippa teen said he then left Delon and his Kennywood-area friend alone, and did not see Delon again that night.

After being unable to reach Delon on his cell phone, the friends who had dropped him off in West Aliquippa told police they began searching for him by driving and walking around the neighborhood, the affidavit said. Ultimately, the friends found a bloodied and unconscious Delon lying at the end of a path leading from West Aliquippa to a secluded spot along the Ohio River in Hopewell, where young people are believed to hang out and party.

As of late Tuesday afternoon, no charges had been filed in the case.

Hopewell Police Chief Gene Ungarean declined to comment on the investigation, other than to say the warrants were "just one little fraction" of it.

"We're just getting more people of interest to talk to. We're trying to piece this together and look into everything," Ungarean added.

Delon's mother, Michele Delon, who Monday begged anyone with information regarding her son's brutal attack to come forward, could not be reached for comment.

Times staff writer Bill Vidonic contributed to this story.

Tom Fontaine can be reached online at tfontaine@timesonline.com.



©Beaver County Times Allegheny Times 2005

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I dont think you can assume causality here; you are putting the cart before the horse. Drugs do not cause people to commit crime, people who commit crimes typically have some kind of social disorder and these can lead to abnormal behavior and they will try and self medicate. Condemning them is not going to remedy the situation, nor is punishing them with prison time. Drug users are not felons, they are sick. Sick people dont get better in jail, you put a junkie in prison he becomes an even more desperate individual and it solves nothing. Do not even ATTEMPT to convince me that the government tries to rehabilitate these people either, these programs are laughable. Also, drug use is just as common in the upper class (and so is crime). Begin ad hominem arguments.

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I dont think you can assume causality here; you are putting the cart before the horse. Drugs do not cause people to commit crime, people who commit crimes typically have some kind of social disorder and these can lead to abnormal behavior and they will try and self medicate. Condemning them is not going to remedy the situation, nor is punishing them with prison time. Drug users are not felons, they are sick. Sick people dont get better in jail, you put a junkie in prison he becomes an even more desperate individual and it solves nothing. Do not even ATTEMPT to convince me that the government tries to rehabilitate these people either, these programs are laughable. Also, drug use is just as common in the upper class (and so is crime). Begin ad hominem arguments.


so youre saying, if this kid hadnt tried to score some weed, another kid who drove some 50-60 miles away, would still have bashed his skull in with a baseball bat, slit his throat, and stabbed him in the chest for good measure?


hmmm interesting theory ;)

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Any time you engage in criminal activity, there's a danger of being hurt, robbed, etc; you are dealing with criminals. That's why marijuana needs to be legalized-to take the criminal presence out of the process.

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Peeps wrote:
deathbyflannel wrote:
I dont think you can assume causality here; you are putting the cart before the horse. Drugs do not cause people to commit crime, people who commit crimes typically have some kind of social disorder and these can lead to abnormal behavior and they will try and self medicate. Condemning them is not going to remedy the situation, nor is punishing them with prison time. Drug users are not felons, they are sick. Sick people dont get better in jail, you put a junkie in prison he becomes an even more desperate individual and it solves nothing. Do not even ATTEMPT to convince me that the government tries to rehabilitate these people either, these programs are laughable. Also, drug use is just as common in the upper class (and so is crime). Begin ad hominem arguments.


so youre saying, if this kid hadnt tried to score some weed, another kid who drove some 50-60 miles away, would still have bashed his skull in with a baseball bat, slit his throat, and stabbed him in the chest for good measure?


hmmm interesting theory ;)


Thats absurd, I don't even think you read my post. What I was REALLY trying to say was drug addicts are all self-hating satanists who feed on the blood of conservatives and leach society of virtue. :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:

And to respond to that, I think I might drive sixty miles and stab someone in the chest and bash in the skull and I havent even had a beer in 6 months.

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Any time you engage in criminal activity, there's a danger of being hurt, robbed, etc; you are dealing with criminals. That's why marijuana needs to be legalized-to take the criminal presence out of the process.
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I usually only buy from people I'm well-acquainted with. Crazy story, nonetheless. But, as Nate said, it comes with the territory. When you're purchasing and using something illegal, there are potential hazards.

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i think the marijuana was besides the point in this story.

i would surmise that the attackers were not smoking dope that evening, rather doing some other drug: pot usually makes people mellow, other drugs like coke, meth, tend to make people violent.

yes, the kid was buying pot and got seriously hurt. but i think it was some other drug that the kid did not even know about that played a larger role in this attack.

or maybe those dealers were just fucking psycho.

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This kid wasn't beat b/c he bought drugs.

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This kid wasn't beat b/c he bought drugs.


it sure as fuck didnt help his cause

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Epyon wrote:
Misfitte wrote:
...it comes with the territory. When you're purchasing and using something illegal, there are potential hazards.


That is an excellent way to look at this. When you choose to engage in this type of activity, you must accept the risks and consequences. I think it is important that you have the right to choose what you put into your body, but equally important that you understand the responsibilities associated with such a choice.

If we had the right to choose what we put in our bodies, the responsibilities of doing so would not include the possibility of getting beaten within an inch of your life by street thugs.

It's nice to see that Peeps has come to see the light that terrible things like this would never happen if marijuana were legalized. :wink:

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It's nice to see that Peeps has come to see the light that terrible things like this would never happen if marijuana were legalized. :wink:



i would never ever vote to legalize marijuana or any other drug

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It's nice to see that Peeps has come to see the light that terrible things like this would never happen if marijuana were legalized. :wink:



i would never ever vote to legalize marijuana or any other drug


Tylenol?

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Peeps wrote:
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It's nice to see that Peeps has come to see the light that terrible things like this would never happen if marijuana were legalized. :wink:



i would never ever vote to legalize marijuana or any other drug

Coffee?

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Peeps wrote:
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It's nice to see that Peeps has come to see the light that terrible things like this would never happen if marijuana were legalized. :wink:



i would never ever vote to legalize marijuana or any other drug

That's funny, because if I were to spend a day trying to find the perfect argument for why marijuana should be legalized, I couldn't have done better than to find this article.

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This story reminds me of my days at USF, and an incident that involved one of my closest friends at that time. It occurred on a weekend in which I had traveled back home to see a couple of my high school friends or else I would’ve most likely been at his place, years later I still wonder about if I could of done something or would I also be left, bleeding on the ground, anyway. Three guys broke into his apartment, and one of the dudes happened to have a baseball bat and with a couple of swift swings he shattered my friend’s ankle into a handful of pieces. After demobilizing my friend, who was left bleeding on his welcome mat, the group of guys ran into his room, and took all of his precious “items” and then left. They knew where it was, very suspicious and my friend had to move back home and I haven’t heard from in years.

Another guy I knew also at USF, who a couple of my friends purchased from, actually got tied down and tortured by a group of potential buyers. They took a hot iron and ran it across his shins, leaving these long, horrific scares on his legs, the poor guy has worn pants ever since and then they took out golf clubs and, well, pretended as if the guy was titelist and they were Tiger Woods.

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 Post subject: Re: Nothing bad can happen to me if i buy $30 worth of weed.
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Peeps wrote:
I have often heard on this board, that nothing bad happens when you use pot, how about when you buy it?

this kid lives about 1000 feet from me across a ravine. I knew his mother in highschool

just some background, west aliquippa, you do not go there except for two reasons, you live there, or are looking to score some drugs. thats IT, no other reason.


So, this could have just as easily have been someone living in the area, you for instance, going to buy $30 worth of beer. Horrible things have happened to people going to the convenience store to buy cigarettes in NYC not far from where I was born. I don't understand what you were trying to prove by posting that article. Most potheads I know lead safer lives than most drinkers I know.


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If weed were legalized, people who sell pot aren't going to just go away. They will still continue to sell pot and these same types of attacks will happen not because a substance is legal or illegal but instead because it is something of value.

Are people still mugged? Yes because they have something of value, not because they have something that is illegal or legal.

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