Well, let's just try to shoot down every mascot in the NFL:
PETA has already been mad at the Packers (1) for glorifying an industry that participates in the murder of animals. But why stop there? I'm sure that any animal is mis-represented by a group of macho men.
So, there goes the Bills, Dolphins, Ravens, Bengals, Colts, Jaguars, Broncos, Eagles, Lions, Bears, Falcons, Panthers, Rams, Cardinals and Seahawks. (16)
The Redskins (17) and Chiefs (18 ) have already been mentioned.
Clearly the Vikings (19) glorify a group of quite murderous individuals. But there are plenty of other violent groups glorified as well: the Cowboys (20), the Patriots (21), and if you count the Crusades, the Saints (22). Of course, the most bloodthirsty of them all are the Buccaneers (23) and Raiders (24).
The Raiders are also bad to glorify because of their gang affiliation. But let's not forget the Jets (25), made famous as a gang from West Side Story.
We also have those groups that rape the environment: the Steelers (26), the 49ers (27), and in the old days, the Oilers. Hell, even the Chargers (28 ) encourage a waste of electricity.
I'm sure those who were born abnormally large are offended by the Titans (29) and Giants (30) making light of their condition.
Finally, aren't the Texans (31) just plain offensive to begin with, first electing Dubya and all?
So, should we all be Cleveland Browns fans? Or is naming a team after one human being still demeaning to him?
Well, let's just try to shoot down every mascot in the NFL:
PETA has already been mad at the Packers (1) for glorifying an industry that participates in the murder of animals. But why stop there? I'm sure that any animal is mis-represented by a group of macho men.
So, there goes the Bills, Dolphins, Ravens, Bengals, Colts, Jaguars, Broncos, Eagles, Lions, Bears, Falcons, Panthers, Rams, Cardinals and Seahawks. (16)
The Redskins (17) and Chiefs (18 ) have already been mentioned.
Clearly the Vikings (19) glorify a group of quite murderous individuals. But there are plenty of other violent groups glorified as well: the Cowboys (20), the Patriots (21), and if you count the Crusades, the Saints (22). Of course, the most bloodthirsty of them all are the Buccaneers (23) and Raiders (24).
The Raiders are also bad to glorify because of their gang affiliation. But let's not forget the Jets (25), made famous as a gang from West Side Story.
We also have those groups that rape the environment: the Steelers (26), the 49ers (27), and in the old days, the Oilers. Hell, even the Chargers (28 ) encourage a waste of electricity.
I'm sure those who were born abnormally large are offended by the Titans (29) and Giants (30) making light of their condition.
Finally, aren't the Texans (31) just plain offensive to begin with, first electing Dubya and all?
So, should we all be Cleveland Browns fans? Or is naming a team after one human being still demeaning to him?
Damn GH,
That was extremely well thought out and funnier than shit. Nice work!
So...it is only offensive if the teams are successful? Is the inbetween-the-lines message that Native Americans can't appear to come out on top, be winners? Isn't that more offensive?
Isn't the Buffalo Bills name offensive to the unemployed people of Buffalo who can't pay theirs?
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While the Bills' mascot is a buffalo, the nickname has nothing to do with a buffalo, just as the Sabres' nickname has nothing to do with a buffalo. I find the city's name to be offensive to buffalo everywhere. It should be changed to FrankStalloneville.
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This enite 'banning' subject is completely ludacris.
What about if one of these teams does make it to the playoffs. So it won't be demeaning to Native Americans when the sports commentators announce the teams mascot names, such as perhaps the Florida State Seminoles? Is the NCAA saying we don't want it to appear on jerseys, uniforms, and merchandise, but you can say that name out loud as many times you want to on air. That's not offensive to anyone now is it. Gimmie a break!
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This whole thing begs the question of "What the hell name are they supposed to use when they DO make the playoffs?"
Is there a list of acceptable names they're supposed to pick from? I mean what the fuck?
i think they would just go by the school name. e.g. the "illini" would be Illinois.
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if what your mascot is called affects your enjoyment of a sporting event, i weep for you
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knuckles of frisco wrote:
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College football & hoops will forever be my first love, but damn, the NCAA is making it pretty difficult to stay interested without getting jaded.
if what your mascot is called affects your enjoyment of a sporting event, i weep for you
I'm not just talking about mascot names, but yes, it does play a big part in the tradition. I don't know the details, but I know that an alum from Marquette University has put of some insane amount of his own private money in an effort to have their original name restored. Tradition is a big deal in college sports.
Beyond that though, I have a number of other issues with the NCAA, including:
The BCS
The 65th team in the Tourney. That play-in game is a joke.
The fact that some teams, like Notre Dame, are allowed to have an exclusive contract with NBC...and while we're on the subject of Notre Dame, it's fucking bullshit that they haven't had to join a football conference yet. Even if they only have a 6-5 record, they seem to get a free pass to a bowl game, over a number of other teams with better credentials.
And this mascot thing...it goes great with an article I just read about how the NCAA tries to always play both sides, and ends up making half-hearted decisions. For example, they won't allow a football playoff because kids would miss too much school, but at the same time they have had no problem with expanding some teams' regular seasons to 12 and 13 games.
Myles Brand sucks. Bobby Knight shouldn't have been fired.
A controversial NCAA decision restricting Florida State University's use of an American Indian mascot was based on incomplete information and will be reconsidered, a top NCAA official said Thursday.
Walter Harrison, who chairs the committee that approved a policy directed at 18 schools with "hostile and abusive" American Indian mascots, said FSU has "good grounds" to appeal.
Among the reasons, he said, are that the NCAA Executive Committee thought the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma opposed FSU's use of the Seminole image as a mascot.
That was based partly on letters the committee received from David Narcomey, a member of the General Council of the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma.
But Narcomey was not authorized to speak on behalf of the tribal nation and "misrepresented" its view, the tribe's attorney general said Thursday.
In fact, Narcomey pushed for a tribal resolution condemning the use of American Indian mascots and imagery, specifically at FSU. It was defeated last month by an 18-2 vote.
Harrison, flooded with hundreds of e-mails from FSU fans, also said Thursday he wants to better understand FSU's history with the Seminoles.
FSU has vowed to fight the NCAA decision.
Trustees voted Thursday to appeal the rule that, starting February, would bar the use of American Indian symbols at championship events. University president T.K. Wetherell has lined up powerful opposition, including Gov. Jeb Bush, and hired powerhouse lawyer Barry Richard.
"If there are appeals or attempts to change legislation, I can listen to different things," said Harrison, who is also president of the University of Hartford.
Harrison said he decided the NCAA should listen to FSU's arguments even before he discovered Thursday's news about the Oklahoma Seminoles.
But the new information won't necessarily change the outcome, he said. The Executive Committee's decision, he added, did not hinge on whether the Oklahoma group opposed FSU's use of American Indian mascots.
"I don't know how we would vote on it," Harrison said. "But it would seem to be good grounds for a waiver request."
FSU and the other 17 schools, including Illinois and Utah, can appeal to the Executive Committee or seek an amendment to the new rules. That would need the Executive Committee's blessing.
Two other members of the 19-person Executive Committee said the matter needs further review in light of the stance of the Oklahoma Seminoles.
"I think this is material new information," said committee member Arthur Kirk Jr., president of Saint Leo University in Pasco County. "It is not only new, but it is counter information from what we had earlier."
Could it have pushed FSU off the NCAA's list of 18 schools?
"I think that is a very valid question," Kirk said.
Executive Committee member Sidney McPhee, president of Middle Tennessee State University, said he also would consider the new information. He also has been swamped with e-mails from FSU boosters.
The NCAA has been studying the issue for years and, in November 2004, asked 33 schools to submit a self-evaluation about their use of American Indian mascots. A special committee developed recommendations that were considered by the Executive Committee last week.
That's when Charlotte Westerhaus, the NCAA's vice president for diversity and inclusion, told the Executive Committee that the Oklahoma Seminoles opposed the practice at FSU. She was relying on letters from Narcomey, including one dated June 1 in which he said he was crafting a resolution condemning FSU's use of the Seminole name and imagery.
"We are part of the Five Civilized Tribes Council and have joined the other four nations, the Chickasaw, the Cherokee, the Choctaw and the Creek nations, in condemning the use of American Indian sports team mascots," he wrote, according to the NCAA's Westerhaus.
Narcomey's letter did not mention that the Intertribal Council of the Five Civilized Tribes passed that resolution in 2001 and that it spoke generally about derogatory images that perpetuate stereotypes. It did not name specific schools or mascots.
Nor did he mention that he sits on boards of organizations with a political agenda, including the Tulsa Indian Coalition Against Racism, and that he has protested at FSU in the past.
Narcomey soon became the one speaking for the 14,000 Seminoles in Oklahoma.
But he was "unauthorized" to speak on behalf of the nation and "misrepresented" its view on the issue, said Jennifer McBee, the attorney general for the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma.
McBee said the tribe has numerous students at FSU.
Narcomey, who last month was elected to another term on the General Council, didn't return a call from the Times.
Oklahoma Seminole members had contacted several newspapers saying Narcomey did not speak for the Seminole Nation, said Lee Hinkle, FSU's vice president for university relations.
NCAA's Westerhaus defended the committee's handling of the matter. "We didn't get a letter nor did we see anything in newspapers," she said.
The NCAA did not follow up with Narcomey on whether his resolution passed.
But key members of the Seminole tribes in Florida and Oklahoma apparently were not communicating either.
"We did not concoct this," Westerhaus said. "We acted in good faith and we'll continue to do so."
The NCAA provided the 18 schools with a letter Tuesday detailing how they could appeal their inclusion on the list.
Aside from being unable to host championship events, such as baseball regionals, student-athletes will be prevented from displaying "hostile and abusive" imagery on their uniforms in post-season games as of Feb. 1, 2006. Cheerleaders, dancers and band members must remove such images from their uniforms by Aug. 1, 2008.
The new policy will not affect FSU football, the school's signature sport. The NCAA doesn't control the Division I-A postseason, the bowls or league championship games watched by millions on TV.
Times researcher Carolyn Edds and staff writers Curtis Krueger and Tom Zucco contributed to this report.
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The "Fighting" is the common word. The rest is what makes it either offensive or not offensive. Both refer to groups of people. Apparently white people don't give a damn so Notre Dame is safe?
I really could care less about what the ruling is (it's pretty stupid that it has come to this if you ask me) but if you're going to say the Illini is offensive, then so is the Irish.
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