if you want to blast me for this, save it, PD asked me for it and i told him id post it, once i was feeling better and could sit at the PC for longer than 10 minutes without shitting through the eye of a needle at 20 paces......


i think my first experience with people doing drugs was around 15 or 16, and going to a party and seeing a couple of girls from my grade being offered some weed by seniors whos only intention was to get in their pants. at the same party, i saw some kid drunk off his ass trying to get head from a girl, and when she leaned over to do the deed, she puked all over him, a reverse facial if you will.he exploded, being drunk, he rammed his head hard enough off a brick wall that he should have gotten stitches, he didnt.

maybe a year later my brother started drinking alot, and i bore witness to him and his buddies crashing at our place going through the cupboards where my mother kept her liquor and replacing it with water, and actually drinking vanilla for the alcohol. my brother would get abussive around this time and there were many fights between him and my mother, and him and me. i think his drinking came to a close one night that i came home from my friends house around midnight, and i found our door slightly ajar, the lamp knocked over, and some blood leading up to my room.

my brother was in my bed, bleeding from his face and mumbling about how he was jumped. i had no clue what was going on and i freaked. i called my friend whose house i just came from, and he, his mother, and his older brother were there in less than five minutes. by this time, my friends mother had already called the paramedics. we all assumed he got jumped by this girls friends, cause they threatend them (my brother, my friend whos house i just came from, and a two other guys). the police were alerted and came, and since none of us got close enough to my brother, we hadnt smelled the alcohol on his breath. he was charged with underage drinking and taken to the hospital. apparently he and a friend had been drinking alot and got into a fight, and my brothers friend who is like 6'4 and 250-260, took roids and just had a mean disposition, hit him for puking in his car and threw him out the car.

i swore that night i would never ever even come close to drinking like that, and i pretty much kept to that promise (except for weddings that i was a best man at and the one time at IUP)

ummm i think i was 18 or so the next time i saw how drugs really affected people. was at the company xmas party, and my buddy, who we called the toxiologist (he knew what all you could mix and not die, or atleast come close to death) and he had some weed, and he gave it to a coworker i had a crush on. next thing i know, everyones pointing to the bathroom, where in the stall, their feet are pointing together. she ended up staying at my house that night and i drove her to school. i dont think i said two words to her that trip or for the next two weeks. she did confess how bad she felt about it and said never in a billion years sober would she have done so.

when i was about 19 or so, i worked across the river from me and one of the guys lived near me, so from time to time i would give him a ride home. then after a bit, he would say, can we stop at my friends place? being a nice guy, i said, sure. turns out after the 3rd or 4th time, he told me he was buying his weekly stash. i told him i hope you enjoy this one, cause i am done taking you here. the guy didnt have a car, but could afford 30 or so bucks a week on drugs?

when i turned 21, my cousin and his friends would beg me to buy them beer and i never did, too worried about one of them squeeling when they would get caught.

when i turned 23, is when my cousin and friends turned 21, so thats when i started drinking, but by no means could you define it me being a drinker. in fact, when they all first turned 21 and wed go to the bars, probably for the first 6 months all i ever drank was pepsi. then one night i went for a coors light (i think thats what it was) and it was like someone cured cancer. bartender stopped, my friends all stopped, they were amazed. from that point on, i dont think i ever drank more than 3 beers at any one night, though me and my cousin were very well known in the one bar that as soon as jeff the bartender saw us come in, hed have a hineken and budweiser waiting at the end of the bar and quarters for the pool table.

about 5 years ago to now, a few of the guys i play hockey smoke 3 or 4 nights a week and some do harder stuff, though i have never really asked. i saw this one kid go from a very energetic 16-17 year old to a very lazy 20 something now, not much desire, his attention span rivals a bag of hammers, and you usually have to repeat stuff to him twice or three times if you want it to sink in. most people joke about it, but hes really wasting his life away.

i know these arent typical of everyones experiences with drugs, but they are mine, and they have shaped my beliefs, and you could give me 1000 success stories about why drugs arent bad and can do good, and not one of them will even come close to changing my mind. ( i know i included alcohol in there, and i did so cause many people consider it a drug and will say, well what if they banned it? they can, i drink maybe a 12 pack a year if that, so i am not going to miss a thing).

i was accused of not having respect for people who do drugs and thats simply not the case. those that do, have their opinion, and i have mine. if thats what you want to do, then fine do it, but if you get caught, yes, i will give you a snide, Told ya so . i have yet to hear of one success story about drugs, that its made someones life better. in all the instances i have read about, it doesnt get better until you get off the drugs.

so let the bashing begin....





now

I have a laundry list of similar stories. Personally I've never witnessed anything good come out of drug consumption. I'm sorry I couldn't bash you.

Nicotene's by far the worst. It's the number one killer of drug users and even alcoholics. I'm scared even for the half-pack a day for five years that I smoked, but they say if you quit under thirty you can eliminate virtually all risk. I hope I have.

I'd never wish smoking on anyone.

Sounds like you've just been around really stupid people.

In all seriousness I think its great that you refuse to drink or smoke, its healthier and a much wiser life-choice. I don't blame you for being 21 and not wanting to buy underage kids alcohol either. But I still think your views on people who do drugs or punishments is despicable and self-righteous. If someone wants to waste their life by sitting around and getting high off pot, well that is their fucking choice. The clear fact is that throwing people into prison because of pot possession is a waste of time and resources. Its impossible to argue, but go right ahead. You're in a pathetic and prudent minority and arguing for the sake of arguing instead of using logic.

I've seen people on every type of drug imaginable (well almost) and the worst things I've seen people do are drink (which is legal) and drive. Being intoxicated can be incredibly harmful but if you smoke a joint, you're a goddamn liberal hippy with no life.

I'm sorry, if you're on pot and try to rape somebody then that is a personal problem and not the drug. Pot is nearly harmless other than that it is addicting and the addiction makes you lazy. Most people I've known who've taken drugs are usually very intelligent and very sane people.

I have no idea what you think the drug does to your conciousness or how you think people perceive things when they are high. If you are a murderous psychopath, a pedophile, a pathological liar, or a complete moron, of course the drug is going to release all sorts of bad things into your head. So will alcohol, pharmaceuticals, caffiene, and television. If someone can't handle their shit than its simply not my problem. I'm not really into pot that much anymore, and if I'm high I like to watch a movie or play a videogame and eat chips.

I'm not advocating drug use or going to describe its benefits. You have incredibly silly misconceptions about marijuana (like many people). Of course there are negatives, but eating at McDonalds everyday and sitting in front of the television is worse. So don't give me your bullshit about how all potheads are dumbass youth and junkies who should be locked up. I can almost not blame you for your views, since you are a child of Reagan's "Just Say No" propaganda in the 80s. Live and let live.

those are some horror stories there, peeps.

but you said:



i use marijuana for my medical condition. i know one other man who uses it legally for his similar condition. we would both be in way more pain than we already are if it were not for marijuana.

i don't like using it for pain control, but i do to keep my pain med consumption down (for the sake of my liver and kidneys, not because my doc won't give it to me). my neurologist knows about my pot use and has simply said: "it is basically a muscle relaxer" and left it at that.

i only use it at night, and only when i know i don't need to go out. my mental faculties are not any more affected by marijuana than by my other pain medication.

pot helps me eat, too, and believe me, i could use the extra weight.

success story? i don't know about that, but it is helpful in any rate.

Nice post.

mind you, this was a story about drug users of the recreational kind, it was never brought up in the medicinal side of things, as long as its not abused, i see no problem with that.


and its funny gv, you say im pathetic and everything else, and i totally believe the same of you, but i also believe the drugs have no direct effect on you being pathetic

As someone who has done far more than their fair share of illegal substances, I can attest to this statement.

First off, I don't really disagree with anything you said. Except for one thing. I myself can't think of a single case in which drugs made somebody's life better. However, I don't think that necessarily means they've always made somebody's life worse. In most cases I think drugs really have no affect on the "quality" of somebody's life. They don't make it better or worse. Obviously this is somewhat variable depending on the drug. I don't think marijuana (in most cases) has much of an affect on people's lives. Cocaine, LSD, meth...slightly different case there.

For the most part, if somebody acts like an ass when they're drunk/high, those actions have already been rooted in their subconscious. Drugs basically just unlock people's inhibitions, so in a sense you do get to see a "true" person when they're under the influence of drugs. Good or bad. I know some people who act like complete fuckheads when they're drunk, but they show signs of fuckheadedness even when sober. Likewise I know a lot of people who are perfectly fine when they're drunk...and they're rather likeable when they're sober too.

Obviously nothing I said applies to every single case. There are always exceptions. But I think my idea apply to the majority. Either way, I can respect your opinions and how they were formed. Interesting story Peeps, as usual.

Anyone that bashes you for your choices - even if you weren't such an amazingly awesome guy to back them up - fuck um. Seriously.
I'm in your boat all the way, and I don't really even have half the amount of stories that you have. Me drinking is extremely rare. I'll occasionally have a girlie drink (Mike's hard something or other, or a wine cooler), or do **A** shot out of the sheer novelty of "OH MY GOD, JENNI'S GONNA DO A SHOT! EVERYONE LOOK!" But I've never been drunk. And honestly, I've never had the urge to be drunk. I have just as much fun as the rest of my friends while I'm sober. *shrugs*
Smoking never made any sense to me. Do something that smells terrible, will ruin my teeth, skin, and probably kill me? Why? Because some other kids are that dumb? No thanks.

I don't judge anyone else for drinking, and I don't expect people not to drink around me. It's just my choice to not partake. No biggie. Anyone that can't accept me or you for that, it's their loss.

We rock.

Im not a huge fan of the "true self" when under the influence theory. I know when im drunk i can be just as misleading, and still manipulate my own actions- sometimes more so then when sober. Sure, you may let some thoughts slip out when under the influence you may not have otherwise...

but also somethings are best left unsaid.
Inhibitions can also be seen as filters or conscience. It our conscience, or inhibitions that stop of us from taking things that arent ours. Stop us from saying things to hurt people, or doing things we know to be wrong. Our inhibitions are who we are, and our ability to control what we say and do goes a large part to defining who we are as people. I may want to run my car into the back of someguy who cuts me off- but i know its not the right thing to do- so i dont. Our inhibitions and conscience are what allow us to seperate our brains from our emotions, and our words from our thoughts. Using drugs to eliminate those inhibitions then creates the potential for problems (just like we've all seen at the bar).

I'm not much of a drug user, but occasionally I like to smoke some pot. Usually with my husband or a small group of friends in our living room or theirs. I can think of at least two instances where really good ideas have come out of converstions while we were smoking pot. In both cases we followed up with the ideas and they were actually life changing in a good way.

Sometimes I find that the thinking you do and the conversations you have with people while smoking pot can be a little more "out of the box". I've also found that if you are a more regular pot smoker, this doesn't happen. Or if you do have any great ideas, you can't remember them at all.

I bring this up only because people were searching for examples of good things that resulted from drug use. I could explain the two ideas that I am thinking of if anyone cares, but they are really not that interesting to anyone but us. Let's just say that they were solutions to complex life problems.

GV, I generally agreed with your post except for a few parts:



Here in Tejas it's equally illegal to drive drunk, high on pot, doped out on painkillers, and even overly sleepy. You're under the influence. Try smoking it up and getting behind the wheel of a car and tell me that it doesn't affect you at all.



I dunno anyone who would jump up to rape someone on pot, and I'm not sure Peeps does, either. But there are plenty of substances out there that are worse than pot which tear down boundaries.

Pot isn't safe, by the way - it contains as many carcinogens as cigarette smoke, and if you're a regular smoker it affects you more because the amount of time you hold it in supercedes the lesser quantity that you smoke compared to tobacco.

I certainly don't knock people who don't use drugs as "self-righteous bastards" or whatever. I won't criticize people who get on to me for my own drug use - it did, after all, prompt me to quit the nicotene. Do some research (I did) and you'll run into a nearly universal maxim about this: presenting users with viable facts and support has a much better success rate than being loudmouthed paladins, trying to build yourself up on the backs of users rather than helping users stand with you.

For the perfect example, take the actions of the American Cancer Society, AA-like smoking groups, and other positive systems as opposed to the creepy, near-Pentecostal spirited Truth commercials. I recently learned that the big tobacco companies themselves sponsored the latter; they know very well that arrogant, "you go grrl/boi" crusaders do more to sink the self-confidence of the recovering addict than to lift it.

There are those that argue with facts and concern, and those that make public spectacles to stand themselves up proud because they believe they're morally superior to drug users. And who wants to help themselves only to become this type of moron? Not me in the least!

i quote that giving full credit to the medicinal use. POT is not physically addictive and I believe is a better alternative than oxycontin, since I have a friend that overdosed last christmas(on an opiate cocktail).



this is true and one of those fuckheads who is not in my life anymore was in an orange jump suit earlier this week.

I dont think anyone who promotes using drugs would condone drug abuse, or the over use of any drug. I totally respect your choice to stay sober and I have not used drugs for a very long time, mostly because with my job I just cant fuck around anymore. I think mostly that people need to be responsible and if that means this person cant drink or smoke than they shouldn't. Unfortunatley not all people can do that and I guess thats why drugs are illegal. Keep in mind that everyone self medicates, whether that is with food, alcohol, pot, television, painkillers, sex etc. Nobody is better than anyone else, we all just travel different paths. But it does piss me off that I(as a responsible, tax paying) adult, cant just sit down with some headphones, pop in a CD and smoke a joint on a friday night.

I wish I had the patience to read that whole original post by peeps...I'll get around to it.

In the meantime, I only know ONE person, out of all the people I know who smoke weed regularly, that is actually productive. ONE.

I have about 10-12 friends that are pot-heads. I can't think of any one of them that doesn't have their life on the right track. Most of them(except maybe 2 or 3 of them) have great jobs and make over $100,000 a year. They own houses, boats, nice cars and are pretty happy. Maybe the pot around here is "positive" or something.

i don't get it, what was so bad about that? In fact, most of the stories you told were pretty tame Peeps. If i never used drugs and read your post i wouldn't exactly be convinced that drugs are bad for you.

I only smoked weed a few times when I was a teen and really I felt nothing so I didn't bother with it again until only a couple years ago (the other teens around me were idiots and acting like idiots so that helped turn me off of it). When my friend gave me some a couple years ago, I must say it's THE most wonderful drug...I swear my back NEVER felt so pain-free, my joints too- I just had energy like I almost never had before. I cannot give it enough credit for being an amazing pain reliever. (I only use it about 3 times a year) So really it's a shame that so many people abuse it and ruin its credibility as the wonderful medicine that it is.

if you have to ask, im not going to take the time to explain it, cause its obviously lost on you

Then why is "making someone's life better" the standard? If we're just talking about recreational use, I have a ton of stories where I had a great time one night, got home safe, and faced no more serious side effects than a headache the next day.

Sure drugs can ruin someone's life, but so can a lot of cool things when they're used by idiots (cars, fireworks, computers, rollerblades, tree swings, nail guns).