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Adultery Inquiry Costs General His Command

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By DAVID S. CLOUD
Published: August 11, 2005

WASHINGTON, Aug. 10 - A four-star general who was relieved of command this week said Wednesday through his lawyer that the Army took the action after an investigation into accusations that he was involved in a consensual relationship with a female civilian.

The lawyer, Lt. Col. David H. Robertson, said the case "involves an adult relationship with a woman who is not in the military, nor is a civilian employee of the military or the federal government."

The general, Kevin P. Byrnes, was relieved Monday by the Army chief of staff, Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, just a few months before General Byrnes was scheduled to retire as head of the Army Training and Doctrine Command
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It doesn't even matter that he was seperated from his wife and in divorce proceedings and if someone cheats it shouldn't matter anyway. I am so glad our countries has its priorities straight.

Torture = good
BJ's = bad
War = good
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petemd wrote:
Torture = good
BJ's = bad
War = good
Adultery = bad


Only in....BIZARRO WORLD

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Isn't the hypocrisy of conservativism in action a beautiful thing to watch?

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Isn't the hypocrisy of conservativism in action a beautiful thing to watch?


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hold up: you can be relieved of duty for having a personal affair with a civilian?

that makes no sense whatsoever.

but i guess i am not surprised.

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If you sodomize someone to obtain information but commit adultery I think its ok cause you do it in the service of your country.

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You guys have absolutely no idea how enormous the problem of adultery is within the military do you? Adultary, divorce, things of that nature...it's huge, and it has far reaching detrimental effects within the military itself. It has an huge effect on moral, and that sort of stuff. That is why adultery is not accepted at any level within the military. Especially officers who are heald to higher level.

But I really loved the idea that nobody's been relieved of command because of the torture. Yeah, okay, way to keep with the times...

All kinds of officers have been relieved of their command because of that whole mess. Even officers that were thousands of miles away from Iraq.

You people never cease to amaze me.

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? Adultary, divorce, things of that nature...it's huge, and it has far reaching detrimental effects within the military itself. It has an huge effect on moral, and that sort of stuff. That is why adultery is not accepted at any level within the military. Especially officers who are heald to higher level.


Please. Could you be a little more melodramatic about Adultery? Divorce?

You person never ceases to amaze me.


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You guys have absolutely no idea how enormous the problem of adultery is within the military do you? Adultary, divorce, things of that nature...it's huge, and it has far reaching detrimental effects within the military itself. It has an huge effect on moral, and that sort of stuff. That is why adultery is not accepted at any level within the military. Especially officers who are heald to higher level.

But I really loved the idea that nobody's been relieved of command because of the torture. Yeah, okay, way to keep with the times...

All kinds of officers have been relieved of their command because of that whole mess. Even officers that were thousands of miles away from Iraq.

You people never cease to amaze me.


So you guys do some torture as relief?

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Human Bass wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
You guys have absolutely no idea how enormous the problem of adultery is within the military do you? Adultary, divorce, things of that nature...it's huge, and it has far reaching detrimental effects within the military itself. It has an huge effect on moral, and that sort of stuff. That is why adultery is not accepted at any level within the military. Especially officers who are heald to higher level.

But I really loved the idea that nobody's been relieved of command because of the torture. Yeah, okay, way to keep with the times...

All kinds of officers have been relieved of their command because of that whole mess. Even officers that were thousands of miles away from Iraq.

You people never cease to amaze me.


So you guys do some torture as relief?


Yes, and then he kills babies and sucks the blood of homosexuals to sustain his evil magical powers.

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deathbyflannel wrote:
Human Bass wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
You guys have absolutely no idea how enormous the problem of adultery is within the military do you? Adultary, divorce, things of that nature...it's huge, and it has far reaching detrimental effects within the military itself. It has an huge effect on moral, and that sort of stuff. That is why adultery is not accepted at any level within the military. Especially officers who are heald to higher level.

But I really loved the idea that nobody's been relieved of command because of the torture. Yeah, okay, way to keep with the times...

All kinds of officers have been relieved of their command because of that whole mess. Even officers that were thousands of miles away from Iraq.

You people never cease to amaze me.


So you guys do some torture as relief?


Yes, and then he kills babies and sucks the blood of homosexuals to sustain his evil magical powers.


it must sucks being in Iraq while your wife is banging with the neighbor

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Human Bass wrote:
deathbyflannel wrote:
Human Bass wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
You guys have absolutely no idea how enormous the problem of adultery is within the military do you? Adultary, divorce, things of that nature...it's huge, and it has far reaching detrimental effects within the military itself. It has an huge effect on moral, and that sort of stuff. That is why adultery is not accepted at any level within the military. Especially officers who are heald to higher level.

But I really loved the idea that nobody's been relieved of command because of the torture. Yeah, okay, way to keep with the times...

All kinds of officers have been relieved of their command because of that whole mess. Even officers that were thousands of miles away from Iraq.

You people never cease to amaze me.


So you guys do some torture as relief?


Yes, and then he kills babies and sucks the blood of homosexuals to sustain his evil magical powers.


it must sucks being in Iraq while your wife is banging with the neighbor


How eloquent. You have articulated a lucid argument. Proceed.

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deathbyflannel wrote:
Human Bass wrote:
deathbyflannel wrote:
Human Bass wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
You guys have absolutely no idea how enormous the problem of adultery is within the military do you? Adultary, divorce, things of that nature...it's huge, and it has far reaching detrimental effects within the military itself. It has an huge effect on moral, and that sort of stuff. That is why adultery is not accepted at any level within the military. Especially officers who are heald to higher level.

But I really loved the idea that nobody's been relieved of command because of the torture. Yeah, okay, way to keep with the times...

All kinds of officers have been relieved of their command because of that whole mess. Even officers that were thousands of miles away from Iraq.

You people never cease to amaze me.


So you guys do some torture as relief?


Yes, and then he kills babies and sucks the blood of homosexuals to sustain his evil magical powers.


it must sucks being in Iraq while your wife is banging with the neighbor


How eloquent. You have articulated a lucid argument. Proceed.


it wasnt an argument....just a funny/sad fact

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Please. Could you be a little more melodramatic about Adultery? Divorce?


Well, I'm not being melodramatic about anything. It is an enormous problem. Look up the stats on divorce rates within the military. And as someone said, imagine going through divorce proceedings while you're in a combat zone? How can our military function when some 15-20% of the people dodging bullets are thinking about Suzy robbing him blind back home? It's a huge slab of people within the military you're looking at. And when their thinking about home, and not thinking about issues on the groud, you have serious problems.

Look up some articles on it. It's one of the biggest issues discussed within military circles right now.

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this actually has nothing to do with the administration. the Uniform Code of Military Justice lists adultery as a punishable offense.

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LittleWing wrote:
You guys have absolutely no idea how enormous the problem of adultery is within the military do you? Adultary, divorce, things of that nature...it's huge, and it has far reaching detrimental effects within the military itself. It has an huge effect on moral, and that sort of stuff. That is why adultery is not accepted at any level within the military. Especially officers who are heald to higher level.

But I really loved the idea that nobody's been relieved of command because of the torture. Yeah, okay, way to keep with the times...

All kinds of officers have been relieved of their command because of that whole mess. Even officers that were thousands of miles away from Iraq.

You people never cease to amaze me.


Ok, name some high ranking officers that have been relieved of command for the torture inflicted on prisoners at Abu Garib? If one accepts that soldiers only act (or should act) on orders from above, than how many generals or other high ranking officiers have been punished? This is an honest question because the only people I can think of are that England chick and Karpinski and I don't know how high ranking they are (or were)

I agree that adultery is a problem for morale but I am struck by how quickly this general was canned when torture seems to be a huge problem too (and I am sure it is against all kind of military regulations too)


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