Post subject: GOOD things that came out of the Elections of 2004
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:45 pm
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There has been a major focus on what was bad about this election, but what about some of the good that came of it. For example, the State of California passed a $3 Billion initiative to fund Stem Cell Research on a state level, which will make CA the center of the Stem Cell Research world in the US...
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Post subject: Re: GOOD things that came out of the Elections of 2004
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:58 pm
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suchpj wrote:
For example, the State of California passed a $3 Billion initiative to fund Stem Cell Research on a state level, which will make CA the center of the Stem Cell Research world in the US...
As much as I am for stem cell research, I was not for the CA Proposition that passed. There is a state cost of 6 billion dollars over the next 30 years to pay off the principal and the interest on the bonds that were used to fund it.
As important as stem cell research is, it doesnt have to be funded by the govt. Nothing is stopping the private sector from doing stem cell research. California is facing cuts in health, education and police and really cant afford to shoulder the cost.
But the worst part about this is there is very little regualtion about how the money can be spent. In fact in the fine print is specifically says that the Governor and Legislature are prohibited from excersising any oversight. This is just stupid.
Again, I'm all for stem cell research, but this is the WRONG way to do it. Unfortunately people saw this proposition to simply as "I am for stem cell research" or "I am against it" without actually seeing how they planned on doing it.
Post subject: Re: GOOD things that came out of the Elections of 2004
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:00 pm
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suchpj wrote:
There has been a major focus on what was bad about this election, but what about some of the good that came of it. For example, the State of California passed a $3 Billion initiative to fund Stem Cell Research on a state level, which will make CA the center of the Stem Cell Research world in the US...
...Yeah, it will be great to see my property taxes and state tax rate go up to pay for this one, .... as if the world will pay Californian's back for funding this project during a time when the State is "broke". The state initiative was permission to borrow the money to build this place.... we'll see if anyone going through the education system in this state will actually be qualified enough to work at it once it's built and assuming that the Federal Government doesn't continue to "block" stem cell research (using human embryos created in labratory conditions from voluntary materials).
I'm not saying it was the wrong thing to do, I just think that between all the Universities in this state that have medical centers with research centers attached to them, this could have happened other was (rather than the citizens paying for it). But hey, it passed with over 60% of the vote, so I guess I'm paying.
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ElPhantasmo wrote:
Just think what could have been done with stem cells with all the money spent on the election.
Or with all the money that will be sent to build a replacement building to the WTC. Or all the money on the war (in Iraq), or the money we'll spend after the economic sanctions are lifted from Iran and they, years down the line, f us back into another war......
.....I guess I better shut up, I'm being a total drag.
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The biggest thing that pisses me off, is the fact that 17% of the "young voters" who were registered bothered to fucking vote. thats up from 16% in 2000. Which leads me to ask, why did everyone go to all the concerts? Did you get anything out of those? Did the people who went to those shows vote or was it just a chance for them to go see a concert. The college age people in this country bitch about how no one cares about them when it comes to politics, but when only 17% of us show up to vote, no one is ever going to give a fuck.
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suchpj wrote:
The biggest thing that pisses me off, is the fact that 17% of the "young voters" who were registered bothered to fucking vote. thats up from 16% in 2000. Which leads me to ask, why did everyone go to all the concerts? Did you get anything out of those? Did the people who went to those shows vote or was it just a chance for them to go see a concert. The college age people in this country bitch about how no one cares about them when it comes to politics, but when only 17% of us show up to vote, no one is ever going to give a fuck.
They'll have fun in Iran, I'm sure.
Is it 17% of registered young voters, really? I kept thinking they were saying that 17% of voters were young. But it doesn't really matter anyway. I'm just tired.
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suchpj wrote:
The biggest thing that pisses me off, is the fact that 17% of the "young voters" who were registered bothered to fucking vote. thats up from 16% in 2000. Which leads me to ask, why did everyone go to all the concerts? Did you get anything out of those? Did the people who went to those shows vote or was it just a chance for them to go see a concert. The college age people in this country bitch about how no one cares about them when it comes to politics, but when only 17% of us show up to vote, no one is ever going to give a fuck.
They'll have fun in Iran, I'm sure.
Is it 17% of registered young voters, really? I kept thinking they were saying that 17% of voters were young. But it doesn't really matter anyway. I'm just tired.
Yeah it was 17% of the registered young voters bothered to show up...pretty sad.
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Something good that will come out of this election:
Republicans now have control of the House, the Senate and the Executive branch. All eyes are on them, all decisions made and actions taken will be by them....and most importantly, their flaws will be magnified.
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As Eddie said, "The world does not hate us, they ate Bush. If we elect Bush, then the world will hate the US as well."
Well, may God spare all the liberals then
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WhiteRider wrote:
Something good that will come out of this election:
Republicans now have control of the House, the Senate and the Executive branch. All eyes are on them, all decisions made and actions taken will be by them....and most importantly, their flaws will be magnified.
Maybe I shouldn't reply, but I guess I am anyway. What concerns me is that's how it was the last four years, and look what happened. I'm sorry, I was optimistic until I left the house today. I think the only option is to secede, like in the other thread.
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All I can come up with is that Washington state voted to clean up the Hanford Nuclear Site before more waste is brought in.
Oh, Patty Murray was re-elected.
Other than that, I want to go puke my guts out.
Post subject: Re: GOOD things that came out of the Elections of 2004
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:53 pm
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Buggy wrote:
suchpj wrote:
For example, the State of California passed a $3 Billion initiative to fund Stem Cell Research on a state level, which will make CA the center of the Stem Cell Research world in the US...
As much as I am for stem cell research, I was not for the CA Proposition that passed. There is a state cost of 6 billion dollars over the next 30 years to pay off the principal and the interest on the bonds that were used to fund it.
As important as stem cell research is, it doesnt have to be funded by the govt. Nothing is stopping the private sector from doing stem cell research. California is facing cuts in health, education and police and really cant afford to shoulder the cost.
But the worst part about this is there is very little regualtion about how the money can be spent. In fact in the fine print is specifically says that the Governor and Legislature are prohibited from excersising any oversight. This is just stupid.
Again, I'm all for stem cell research, but this is the WRONG way to do it. Unfortunately people saw this proposition to simply as "I am for stem cell research" or "I am against it" without actually seeing how they planned on doing it.
People for Private Funding.........BRILLIANT!!
It's all crunked up over here in the Libertarian Party.
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suchpj wrote:
New York Streets wrote:
suchpj wrote:
The biggest thing that pisses me off, is the fact that 17% of the "young voters" who were registered bothered to fucking vote. thats up from 16% in 2000. Which leads me to ask, why did everyone go to all the concerts? Did you get anything out of those? Did the people who went to those shows vote or was it just a chance for them to go see a concert. The college age people in this country bitch about how no one cares about them when it comes to politics, but when only 17% of us show up to vote, no one is ever going to give a fuck.
They'll have fun in Iran, I'm sure.
Is it 17% of registered young voters, really? I kept thinking they were saying that 17% of voters were young. But it doesn't really matter anyway. I'm just tired.
Yeah it was 17% of the registered young voters bothered to show up...pretty sad.
Yeah, this was real sad. I felt like I was on line for tickets to the local Bingo tournament.
Good... hmmm... Well, here the transportation tax including light rail passed... That's a step in the right direction for a largely conservative area. We did retain the guy who doesn't care about the environment on the corporation commission, though.
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suchpj wrote:
New York Streets wrote:
suchpj wrote:
The biggest thing that pisses me off, is the fact that 17% of the "young voters" who were registered bothered to fucking vote. thats up from 16% in 2000. Which leads me to ask, why did everyone go to all the concerts? Did you get anything out of those? Did the people who went to those shows vote or was it just a chance for them to go see a concert. The college age people in this country bitch about how no one cares about them when it comes to politics, but when only 17% of us show up to vote, no one is ever going to give a fuck.
They'll have fun in Iran, I'm sure.
Is it 17% of registered young voters, really? I kept thinking they were saying that 17% of voters were young. But it doesn't really matter anyway. I'm just tired.
Yeah it was 17% of the registered young voters bothered to show up...pretty sad.
Yeah, this was real sad. I felt like I was on line for tickets to the local Bingo tournament.
Good... hmmm... Well, here the transportation tax including light rail passed... That's a step in the right direction for a largely conservative area. We did retain the guy who doesn't care about the environment on the corporation commission, though.
God damn it, I would have voted if theyd let me. That pisses me off. Why dont people fucking vote?
Yeah but there were a lot of people voting. Up at least 10 percent overall. That was the good I saw.
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i voted..and so did 3 of my friends...2 of them being 20 & the other 21. I know lots of people from my town that are considered a "young voter" that did vote. I am suprised to learn that only 17% turned out... i thought we were doing good.
and i must just say, i am fuckin pissed off that Kerry didn't win. I figured Bush would, but last night it looked like Kerry was gonna take it......wonder what Pearl Jam is thinking right now......
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Master Slave wrote:
God damn it, I would have voted if theyd let me. That pisses me off. Why dont people fucking vote?
I hear that, man. And as to why they don't vote?: apathy. It kills me when I hear, on a daily basis, my "peers" say things like "oh, I'm not political, I won't know" or "I really don't care." How can you not care? Your vote decides who rules this nation, which will have global effects. Apathy doesn't make sense here.
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Hmmmm.....the only good thing that has happened for me since the election is that, where I live, gas went down 8 cents from this morning. Hmmmm....quite a coincidence that I live in Ohio and all. Conspiracy theory????? I think so!!!!!!
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bullet proof wrote:
Master Slave wrote:
God damn it, I would have voted if theyd let me. That pisses me off. Why dont people fucking vote?
I hear that, man. And as to why they don't vote?: apathy. It kills me when I hear, on a daily basis, my "peers" say things like "oh, I'm not political, I won't know" or "I really don't care." How can you not care? Your vote decides who rules this nation, which will have global effects. Apathy doesn't make sense here.
Also, if we DID vote in higher numbers, the candidates might consider more the things that affect young people more. Obviously they don't have us in mind too much, but that is because we are not voting.
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