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 Post subject: RUMOR of Suicide Bomber Results in 1000 Dead Iraqis
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:23 pm 
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648 Dead, 322 Hurt in Iraq Bridge Stampede

By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, Associated Press Writer 16 minutes ago

BAGHDAD, Iraq - At least 648 people were killed in a stampede on a bridge Wednesday when panic engulfed a Shiite religious procession amid rumors that a suicide bomber was about to attack, officials said. It was the single biggest confirmed loss of life in Iraq since the March 2003 invasion.

Scores jumped or were pushed to their deaths into the Tigris River, while others were crushed in the crowd. Most of the dead were women and children, Interior Ministry spokesman Lt. Col. Adnan Abdul-Rahman said.

Tensions already had been running high in the procession in Baghdad's heavily Shiite Kazimiyah district because of a mortar attack two hours earlier against the shrine where the marchers were heading. The shrine was about a mile from the bridge.

Abdul-Rahman said 648 were killed and 322 injured, although figures from other official sources varied slightly. Survivors rushed in ambulances and private cars to several hospitals, where officials scrambled to compile accurate casualty figures.

Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari, a Shiite, declared a three-day mourning period.

Thousands of people rushed to both banks of the river to search for survivors, and bare-chested men jumped in to try to recover bodies.

Scores of bodies covered with white sheets lay on the sidewalk outside one hospital because the morgue was jammed. Many of them were women in black gowns, as well as children and old men.

Sobbing relatives wandered amid the bodies, lifting the sheets to try to identify their kin. When they found them, they would shriek in grief, pound their chests or collapse to the ground, sobbing.

Hundreds of thousands of Shiites had been marching across the bridge, which links a Sunni and Shiite neighborhood, heading for the tomb of Imam Mousa al-Kadhim, a 9th century Shiite saint.

Television reports said about 1 million pilgrims from Baghdad and outlying provinces had gathered near the shrine in the capital's Kazimiyah district for the annual commemoration of the saint's death. The shrine is about a mile from the bridge.

"We were on the bridge. It was so crowded. Thousands of people were surrounding me," said survivor Fadhel Ali, 28, barefoot and soaking wet. "We heard that a suicide attacker was among the crowd. Everybody was yelling, so I jumped from the bridge into the river, swam and reached the bank. I saw women, children and old men falling after me into the water."

Health Minister Abdul-Mutalib Mohammed told state-run Iraqiya television that there were "huge crowds on the bridge and the disaster happened when someone shouted that there is a suicide bomber on the bridge."

"This led to a state of panic among the pilgrims and they started to push each other and there was many cases of suffocation," he said.

Shiite processions, which can draw huge crowds, are often targeted by Sunni extremists seeking to trigger sectarian war, so worshippers are on guard for trouble.

First reports suggested that the bridge's railing collapsed, but TV video showed the green, waist-high railing undamaged.

Mortar shells had exploded in the shrine compound about two hours earlier, killing at least seven people. U.S. Apache helicopters fired at the attackers.

Shiite religious festivals have often been targeted for attack by Sunni extremists seeking to trigger civil war among the rival communities.

In March 2004 suicide attackers struck worshippers at the Imam Kadhim shrine and a holy site in Karbala, killing at least 181 overall.

The head of the country's major Sunni clerical group, the Association of Muslim Scholars, told Al-Jazeera television that Wednesday's disaster was "another catastrophe and something else that could be added to the list of ongoing Iraqi tragedies."

"On this occasion we want to express our condolences to all the Iraqis and the parents of the martyrs, who fell today in Kazimiyah and all over Iraq," said the cleric, Haith al-Dhari.

Elsewhere, a U.S. soldier was killed Tuesday by a roadside bomb in the city of Iskandariyah, about 30 miles south of Baghdad, the military said.

Eyewitnesses said the town of Qaim, about 200 miles northwest of Baghdad, was quiet and virtually deserted Wednesday after a day of U.S. airstrikes and heavy fighting between the pro-government Bumahl tribe and the pro-insurgent Karabilah tribe. Iraqi officials said 45 people had died, most in the tribal clashes, during which hundreds of residents fled their homes and took refuge in the surrounding countryside.

The border region is considered a prime infiltration route for smugglers and foreign militants trying to reach central and western Iraq.

This week's violence came amid new twists about Iraq's draft constitution. On Tuesday, U.S. ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad raised the possibility of further changes to the draft charter finalized by the dominant Kurdish and Shiite Arab bloc but vehemently opposed by Arab Sunnis who form the core of the armed insurgency.

Sunnis had demanded revisions in the constitution, and Khalilzad's move indicated the Bush administration has not given up its campaign to obtain some sort of Sunni endorsement for the national charter.

Khalilzad said he believed "a final, final draft has not yet been, or the edits have not been, presented yet" — a strong hint to Shiites and Kurds that Washington wants another bid to accommodate the Sunnis before the Oct. 15 referendum.

Shiite leaders had no comment on the ambassador's remarks. As constitution wrangling drew to a close last week, Shiite officials complained privately that the Sunnis were stonewalling and that further negotiations were pointless.

Khaled al-Attiyah, a Shiite member of the constitution drafting committee, insisted Tuesday that "no changes are allowed" to the draft "except for minor edits for the language."

This indicated that the Shiites and Kurds would be unlikely to compromise on their core demand for Iraq to be turned into a loose federation. Sunnis fear this would eventually lead to the breakup of the nation which has been ruled as a centralized entity since it was established by British occupiers in the 1920s.

Sunni Arabs form an estimated 20 percent of the population. They could still scuttle the charter because of a rule that states that if two-thirds of the voters in any three provinces reject the draft, it would be defeated.

Even if the Sunnis lose the referendum, a bitter political battle at a time when the Sunni-led insurgency shows no sign of abating could plunge the country into a full-scale sectarian conflict.

The Shiite Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq condemned attacks by foreign fighters against "our beloved people" and urged the government to "stop criminals and terrorists from crossing into Iraq."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050831/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

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I saw this earlier today and couldn't believe it. Fucking terrible. Women and children drowned. :cry:


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Another sad day in Iraq. Nearly 1,000 dead at this point: :cry:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4199618.stm

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I wonder if there actually was a suicide bomber. Somehow i doubt that any bomb could cause this kind of loss of life.


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I imagine that the lack of response in this thread is due to other people finding this episode to be so mind-bendingly stupid that they don't know how to properly react to such a thing. I don't know whether to cry or yell or what at this. Religious pilgrimages + fear and panic. Ugh.

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punkdavid wrote:
I imagine that the lack of response in this thread is due to other people finding this episode to be so mind-bendingly stupid that they don't know how to properly react to such a thing. I don't know whether to cry or yell or what at this. Religious pilgrimages + fear and panic. Ugh.


Yeah, I'm not too sure what I can add. We need LittleWing to come on this thread and tell us how the pilgrims were asking for it because they willingly decided to cross a bridge in large numbers.


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punkdavid wrote:
I imagine that the lack of response in this thread is due to other people finding this episode to be so mind-bendingly stupid that they don't know how to properly react to such a thing. I don't know whether to cry or yell or what at this. Religious pilgrimages + fear and panic. Ugh.


I don't know how to feel about the lack of response here. This thread has been here all day. The death toll has increased by 300 since this morning. Its just beyond saddening and to imagine how terrifying it must have been to be there just knots my stomach.


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looks like no one cares for this thread,

amazing

1000 died, and no one cares

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psychobain wrote:
1000 died, and no one cares


You don't have to respond to care.

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psychobain wrote:
looks like no one cares for this thread,

amazing

1000 died, and no one cares


i care, but i just can't fathom this. it absolutely blows my mind that this happened. and it scares me, because this has proven itself a very effect method of killing off large groups of people. i half expect this to be a new tactic. people respond when you yell "fire." they respond when you yell "bomber."

absolutely horrible.

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i know, im a little bit drunk, sorry for that


anyway, the lack of responses stills bothers me, but i guess that NOLA thing is more important now(not for the board, for the whole WORLD)....so ill just post my condolences here(for both events), and say goodbye



goodbye


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lemoncoatedafterworld wrote:
i half expect this to be a new tactic. people respond when you yell "fire." they respond when you yell "bomber."

absolutely horrible.



Yep. It's a scary thing if this catches on as a trend. I'm sure some a-holes will go around crying "bomber" for fun to scare people.

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This was actually a Shi'a pilgrimage site in Baghad (a minor one, obviously, the hajj being to Mecca) but it honors the founder of one of the sects of Shiaism. This sect, which makes pilgrimage to the shrine of a saint, is despised by the Wahabi movement of sunni Islam, who fired mortar rounds at the shrine earlier this morning.

My history professor in the M.E. history course I'm taking, who is from Lebanon, says that people are trampled to death each year in Mecca during the Hajj.

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i´ve just come across this thread (wasn´t checking the News & Debate too much) and I don´t think there´s much I can add..It´s just terrible that this kind of things happen...Left me without words..It´s really sad

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As SAD as it is...obviously Peace is a pipe dream.

There will always be those out there that do not agree with us and want us abolished.

Peace is unattainable.


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BornToRun86 wrote:
This was actually a Shi'a pilgrimage site in Baghad (a minor one, obviously, the hajj being to Mecca) but it honors the founder of one of the sects of Shiaism. This sect, which makes pilgrimage to the shrine of a saint, is despised by the Wahabi movement of sunni Islam, who fired mortar rounds at the shrine earlier this morning.

My history professor in the M.E. history course I'm taking, who is from Lebanon, says that people are trampled to death each year in Mecca during the Hajj.


What is it about religion and stomping your fellow man to death?

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Hajj stampede: 244 pilgrims dead
Sunday, February 1, 2004 Posted: 3:04 PM EST (2004 GMT)


MECCA, Saudi Arabia (CNN) -- A stampede Sunday morning killed 244 Muslim pilgrims and injured another 244 at a stone-throwing ritual which has been the source of deadly tramplings in the past, according to Saudi's health minister.

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The most deadly Hajj-related incident was a 1990 stampede in which 1,426 pilgrims were killed.

Here is a breakdown of other violent incidents at the annual Muslim pilgrimage:

1998 - 180 people died in a stampede near Mecca at the end of the Hajj;

1997 - A fire in Mina tore through the sprawling, overcrowded tent city , trapping and killing more than 340 pilgrims and injuring 1,500;

1994 - a stampede kills 270 pilgrims;

1991 - a chartered airliner carrying pilgrims home to Nigeria crashed, killing 261;

1991 - a plane crash in northern Saudi Arabia killed 91 Senegalese soldiers returning from a trip to Mecca which had been a reward for their service in the U.S.-led coalition that drove Iraqi forces from Kuwait in the Gulf War a month earlier;

1989 - bombs exploded near the Grand Mosque in Mecca, killing one pilgrim and wounding 16 others;

1987 - some 400 people, mainly Iranian Shi'ite pilgrims, were killed in clashes with Saudi security forces during anti-Western protests in Mecca.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/02/ ... .stampede/

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All this, but they won't let you into Mecca if you haven't had a meningococcal vaccine. :?

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There will always be those out there that do not agree with us and want us abolished.


What exactly did this have to do with us?

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John Lennon wrote:
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