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The New Hampshire Union Leader wrote:
Editorials - August 31, 2005

Bush and Katrina:
A time for action, not aloofness



AS THE EXTENT of Hurricane Katrina’s devastation became clearer on Tuesday — millions without power, tens of thousands homeless, a death toll unknowable because rescue crews can’t reach some regions — President Bush carried on with his plans to speak in San Diego, as if nothing important had happened the day before.

Katrina already is measured as one of the worst storms in American history. And yet, President Bush decided that his plans to commemorate the 60th anniversary of VJ Day with a speech were more pressing than responding to the carnage.

A better leader would have flown straight to the disaster zone and announced the immediate mobilization of every available resource to rescue the stranded, find and bury the dead, and keep the survivors fed, clothed, sheltered and free of disease.

The cool, confident, intuitive leadership Bush exhibited in his first term, particularly in the months immediately following Sept. 11, 2001, has vanished. In its place is a diffident detachment unsuitable for the leader of a nation facing war, natural disaster and economic uncertainty.

Wherever the old George W. Bush went, we sure wish we had him back.


http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_ ... icle=59785

I made this a separate thread so as not to muck up the normal Katrina thread with arguments.

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This will be a long thread


I like to light fuses and run. :twisted:

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B wrote:
The New Hampshire Union Leader wrote:
Editorials - August 31, 2005

Bush and Katrina:
A time for action, not aloofness



AS THE EXTENT of Hurricane Katrina’s devastation became clearer on Tuesday — millions without power, tens of thousands homeless, a death toll unknowable because rescue crews can’t reach some regions — President Bush carried on with his plans to speak in San Diego, as if nothing important had happened the day before.

Katrina already is measured as one of the worst storms in American history. And yet, President Bush decided that his plans to commemorate the 60th anniversary of VJ Day with a speech were more pressing than responding to the carnage.

A better leader would have flown straight to the disaster zone and announced the immediate mobilization of every available resource to rescue the stranded, find and bury the dead, and keep the survivors fed, clothed, sheltered and free of disease.

The cool, confident, intuitive leadership Bush exhibited in his first term, particularly in the months immediately following Sept. 11, 2001, has vanished. In its place is a diffident detachment unsuitable for the leader of a nation facing war, natural disaster and economic uncertainty.

Wherever the old George W. Bush went, we sure wish we had him back.


http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_ ... icle=59785

I made this a separate thread so as not to muck up the normal Katrina thread with arguments.


Oh, don't worry, you're still a dirty thread mucker.


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jwfocker wrote:
This will be a long thread


I like to light fuses and run. :twisted:


and it will explode in 5, 4, 3, 2

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http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2005/09/ ... -rude.html

9/1/2005
The Empty Vessel as President:


Here's the Rude Pundit's fuckin' amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Fuck all yer anti-choice, save the flag bullshit amendments. Here it goes: No motherfucker who became wealthy due to inheritance is allowed to be President. No pampered pukes who get their hands dirty only as a lark. No asshole socially-connected cocksuckers who own three, four homes, fuck, no one who owns a huge fuckin' house they call a "vacation home." Sure, sure, we may have to sacrifice a Kennedy or two along the way, but, shit, and c'mon, between George Bush I's golfing during Hurricane Andrew in 1992 (which was a double fuck-up because not only was he allegedly the President, but he was in the middle of a campaign to do it again) and now George Bush II's, well, fuck, golfing and goofin' on the guitar when a million of his citizens are displaced and over half of them are fucked for good, we can sacrifice a potential liberal or two to ensure that there's never a President Jenna.

For there he was, our goddamned President, standing there in the picturesque Rose Garden, surrounded, like Al Capone with his capos, by his cabinet, as if to say, "Don't worry - you won't have to rely on me." Having been pried away from his "working vacation" like a meth addict from an iodine factory, Bush appeared irritated that he had to talk to us last night. He smirked, he gave a campaign-like laundry list of shit heading to New Orleans and elsewhere, he told us what we already fuckin' knew from CNNMSNBCFox: that Hurricane Katrina was major, that his "folks" around him were ready to do their jobs, but, hell, at least he didn't mention how jim-fuckin-dandy Iraq is.

As always, though, Bush made it all about him and his own defense of his own stupidity: "Right now the days seem awfully dark for those affected -- I understand that," he said. On ABC's Good Morning, Diane Sawyer, Bush said, "I fully understand people wanting things to have happened yesterday...I understand the anxiety of people on the ground."

"No," someone needs to tell him, "you don't understand. If you had been in New Orleans, you'd've been able to hire a passel of negroes to carry you out of there in your Mercedes. You'd've been able to pay people to let you shit in their hands. You could've paid men and women to lick you to keep you clean, making sure they bathe the waxy folds of your balls with their tongues. You'd've been able to pay for small black children you could cook over a spit and stay nourished and healthy. And when you got out, you'd just jet to one of your other homes. And when the real chaos hits the United States, after gas prices hit five bucks a gallon, you'd've jetted over to one of your European homes. You would not have been stranded in the attic of a house in the Ninth Ward, baking slowly to death, hoping that someone hears your increasingly strangled cries and hacks you out, drinking your own depleting piss, not knowing if the mosquitoes are gonna drain your blood before you finally just pass out and hope that you don't wake up again if it means continuing this suffering, listening to the gunfire outside, and wondering if its the good guys, the bad guys, and, really, does it matter anymore."

Bush's approach to the incredible madness and degradation and loss of life is the fucked up response of the righteous, the Mother Theresa approach, if you will: suffering is good because it makes you stronger. How can one believe that if it comes from someone who has never paused in the all-encompassing luxury of his life except to heave his drunken guts into toilets that'll be cleaned by servants.

Yesterday he deigned to ascend above the earth to view the devastation below. And looking down, he saw it was bad. He called it by its name, "devastation," and, in fact, could come up with no other words for, lo, his vocabulary was limited. When George Bush looked out of Air Force One at New Orleans and Mississippi for his strangely reminiscent of 9/11 photo-op, did he ask himself how, once again, he could use this tragedy to turn his shambles of a presidency into triumph? Or did he just sigh, remembering that one hole he bogeyed and how the destroyed north shore of Lake Ponchartrain reminded him of all the water traps at the 16th hole in Kennebunkport? Do ya think anyone oughta tell him that all of his bullshit rhetoric about the Iraq War being about preventing harm to Americans in America could perhaps be applied to the numerous environmental, social, and other disasters that are awaiting us? That perhaps that ounce of prevention will cost far, far less than the cure? That a quarter of a day of the budget for the Iraq insanity might have helped solve the levee problems in New Orleans?

Nah. Fuck him. When he told Diane Sawyer that "I don't think anyone could have anticipated the breach of the levees," someone should have taken him, flown him to New Orleans, put him in a tiny pirogue somewhere off Claiborne Avenue, and sent him merrily on his way.

Fuck him. Again. There's insanity in the streets. There's kids dying on the sidewalks of an American city for no other reason than they were too poor to be able to leave the city on their own. And fuck all the commentators that wanna make this about the looters. There's death and disease everywhere, and there's no leader to be found. That's as criminal as anyone who takes a TV.

So let us at long, long last face a stomach-churning, bile-swallowing reality: we have no President. For Presidents at least attempt to lead. Now we are a ship without a rudder, a car without a steering wheel, a pair of balls without a cock. A President would have suspended his schedule of meetings, but the fact that he didn't means that he's insignificant to the whole process. And while that may be seen as a small reason for relief, it is instead a giant void in the center of the American vessel.

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I'm not sure there's anything Bush can do with NO other than send in the army, which apparently is happening now. With all of the looting and gunfire and whatnot, it's probably not wise for him to "fly to the disaster zone."

Has he handled it well? Of course not. The national guard should have been there much sooner. I doubt he even realizes the extent of what is going on there though.

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Fuck the president, Fuck the Government. Government is a step from worthless.

It's up to individuals like you and me, to go down help out send money, That's what rebuilds the spirit and the town. Individual people not fucking speeches from a vaccuous figurehead that wouldn't matter anyway.

Why do people clamour for meaningless words from a pompous politician?


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Electromatic wrote:
Fuck the president, Fuck the Government. Government is a step from worthless.

It's up to individuals like you and me, to go down help out send money, That's what rebuilds the spirit and the town. Individual people not fucking speeches from a vaccuous figurehead that wouldn't matter anyway.

Why do people clamour for meaningless words from a pompous politician?


Well said

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i blame that vacationing asshole whats his name again.......oh yeah BUSH


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 Post subject: Re: Criticizing the Response to Katrina
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find and bury the dead.


They can't even find the living and this person is worried about the dead.

Maybe after this is all over, they can bury the dead in New Hampshire.

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threads like this, make me want to go off on someone and get another vacation

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Electromatic wrote:
Fuck the president, Fuck the Government. Government is a step from worthless.

It's up to individuals like you and me, to go down help out send money, That's what rebuilds the spirit and the town. Individual people not fucking speeches from a vaccuous figurehead that wouldn't matter anyway.

Why do people clamour for meaningless words from a pompous politician?

the sentiment is fine, but i don't have hundreds of helicopters at my disposal.

there's no reason thousands of people are still in the superdome. they should have been moved from there even before the flood water crested.

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Peter Van Wieren wrote:
Electromatic wrote:
Fuck the president, Fuck the Government. Government is a step from worthless.

It's up to individuals like you and me, to go down help out send money, That's what rebuilds the spirit and the town. Individual people not fucking speeches from a vaccuous figurehead that wouldn't matter anyway.

Why do people clamour for meaningless words from a pompous politician?

the sentiment is fine, but i don't have hundreds of helicopters at my disposal.

there's no reason thousands of people are still in the superdome. they should have been moved from there even before the flood water crested.


Where are all of these vehicles getting gasoline from?

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Electromatic wrote:
Fuck the president, Fuck the Government. Government is a step from worthless.

It's up to individuals like you and me, to go down help out send money, That's what rebuilds the spirit and the town. Individual people not fucking speeches from a vaccuous figurehead that wouldn't matter anyway.

Why do people clamour for meaningless words from a pompous politician?


Fuck the prez, I agree. But if everything is up to you and me as individuals, I'd like to find out about recouping some of my Fed Tax dollars.


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Zutballs wrote:
Peter Van Wieren wrote:
Electromatic wrote:
Fuck the president, Fuck the Government. Government is a step from worthless.

It's up to individuals like you and me, to go down help out send money, That's what rebuilds the spirit and the town. Individual people not fucking speeches from a vaccuous figurehead that wouldn't matter anyway.

Why do people clamour for meaningless words from a pompous politician?

the sentiment is fine, but i don't have hundreds of helicopters at my disposal.

there's no reason thousands of people are still in the superdome. they should have been moved from there even before the flood water crested.


Where are all of these vehicles getting gasoline from?

chopper them to baton rouge.

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Peter Van Wieren wrote:
Zutballs wrote:
Peter Van Wieren wrote:
Electromatic wrote:
Fuck the president, Fuck the Government. Government is a step from worthless.

It's up to individuals like you and me, to go down help out send money, That's what rebuilds the spirit and the town. Individual people not fucking speeches from a vaccuous figurehead that wouldn't matter anyway.

Why do people clamour for meaningless words from a pompous politician?

the sentiment is fine, but i don't have hundreds of helicopters at my disposal.

there's no reason thousands of people are still in the superdome. they should have been moved from there even before the flood water crested.


Where are all of these vehicles getting gasoline from?

chopper them to baton rouge.


Where do the choppers get fuel from? This has got to be a logistical nightmare.

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Peeps wrote:
threads like this, make me want to go off on someone and get another vacation


I read your posts in News and Debate alot. I don't normally agree with you, but I'm with you 100 percent on this one. This is one of the most major disasters that's ever affected the United States, and all people can do is politicize it. Fuck that. This isn't about politics, this is about humanity.

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Big Pink wrote:
Peeps wrote:
threads like this, make me want to go off on someone and get another vacation


I read your posts in News and Debate alot. I don't normally agree with you, but I'm with you 100 percent on this one. This is one of the most major disasters that's ever affected the United States, and all people can do is politicize it. Fuck that. This isn't about politics, this is about humanity.


You seem to give politicians an assload of your money every year. Maybe instead of spending it on a 4th home, they should put the $$ where it would do some good. If you think that you can separate the politics, good luck with the rest of your life.


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