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Both programs are disgustingly good (disgustingly, cause neither are a favorite team of mine), but which team is better?... Which team's run is more impressive?

Who's number 1? Discuss.


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With the parity in the NFL and just the pure difficulty of consistently winning a championship, plus actually keeping the same team together in the age of free agency, I think NE's run is far more impressive.

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With the parity in the NFL and just the pure difficulty of consistently winning a championship, plus actually keeping the same team together in the age of free agency, I think NE's run is far more impressive.


i agree. its amazing what they have accomplished in todays NFL.

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Cal Varnsen wrote:
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With the parity in the NFL and just the pure difficulty of consistently winning a championship, plus actually keeping the same team together in the age of free agency, I think NE's run is far more impressive.


i agree. its amazing what they have accomplished in todays NFL.


definitely, but there is also something to be said for bringing a program back from the ashes to complete dominance... i think it is obvious that USC is the best team in the country bar none... they will light up Texas if they meet them in the title game, or anyone else for that matter... and for Leinart to turn down being the #1 draft pick just speaks volumes about the seriousness of the program and love their players have for USC... and New England doesnt have to be better than over 100 teams and go undefeated to be #1 at the end of the year

i probably agree with NE, but i'm just playing a little devil's advocate here and all


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they will light up Texas if they meet them in the title game


And I can't wait for that day so all these UT horn blowers can finally shut up down here


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I hope Oregon takes USC down next weekend. It won't happen.

Oh, and New England.

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pearljamminagain wrote:
Cal Varnsen wrote:
Go_State wrote:
With the parity in the NFL and just the pure difficulty of consistently winning a championship, plus actually keeping the same team together in the age of free agency, I think NE's run is far more impressive.


i agree. its amazing what they have accomplished in todays NFL.


and New England doesnt have to be better than over 100 teams and go undefeated to be #1 at the end of the year
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I don't think this argument holds up. As a whole, each team in the NFL is on the same level in terms of money, ability to get players, etc. It's not perfectly equal footing, but it's close. The Akron Zips aren't luring some top recruit away from USC without commiting some major violations. USC probably has to truly only compete with 30 teams or so to be the best in the nation.

I do agree that it's impressive to maintain dominance in college, but there's also the factor that once you're on top, it's that much easier to keep getting star recruits.

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Go_State wrote:
pearljamminagain wrote:
Cal Varnsen wrote:
Go_State wrote:
With the parity in the NFL and just the pure difficulty of consistently winning a championship, plus actually keeping the same team together in the age of free agency, I think NE's run is far more impressive.


i agree. its amazing what they have accomplished in todays NFL.


and New England doesnt have to be better than over 100 teams and go undefeated to be #1 at the end of the year
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I don't think this argument holds up. As a whole, each team in the NFL is on the same level in terms of money, ability to get players, etc. It's not perfectly equal footing, but it's close. The Akron Zips aren't luring some top recruit away from USC without commiting some major violations. USC probably has to truly only compete with 30 teams or so to be the best in the nation.

I do agree that it's impressive to maintain dominance in college, but there's also the factor that once you're on top, it's that much easier to keep getting star recruits.


let's just say that USC couldnt go into Oregon next week and play the way New England did today and still be in the title hunt


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pearljamminagain wrote:
Go_State wrote:
pearljamminagain wrote:
Cal Varnsen wrote:
Go_State wrote:
With the parity in the NFL and just the pure difficulty of consistently winning a championship, plus actually keeping the same team together in the age of free agency, I think NE's run is far more impressive.


i agree. its amazing what they have accomplished in todays NFL.


and New England doesnt have to be better than over 100 teams and go undefeated to be #1 at the end of the year
l


I don't think this argument holds up. As a whole, each team in the NFL is on the same level in terms of money, ability to get players, etc. It's not perfectly equal footing, but it's close. The Akron Zips aren't luring some top recruit away from USC without commiting some major violations. USC probably has to truly only compete with 30 teams or so to be the best in the nation.

I do agree that it's impressive to maintain dominance in college, but there's also the factor that once you're on top, it's that much easier to keep getting star recruits.


let's just say that USC couldnt go into Oregon next week and play the way New England did today and still be in the title hunt


That's a valid point. College teams don't have the luxury to lose a game and still be in the hunt, too often. However, they frequently can hide an off week by having it against a sub-par opponent. Even the worst NFL team can knock of the best if the good team plays poorly. I think USC could have played horrendously and still beaten Arkansas. While if NE played horrendously, they'd likely lose to any team in the league.

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Go_State wrote:
pearljamminagain wrote:
Go_State wrote:
pearljamminagain wrote:
Cal Varnsen wrote:
Go_State wrote:
With the parity in the NFL and just the pure difficulty of consistently winning a championship, plus actually keeping the same team together in the age of free agency, I think NE's run is far more impressive.


i agree. its amazing what they have accomplished in todays NFL.


and New England doesnt have to be better than over 100 teams and go undefeated to be #1 at the end of the year
l


I don't think this argument holds up. As a whole, each team in the NFL is on the same level in terms of money, ability to get players, etc. It's not perfectly equal footing, but it's close. The Akron Zips aren't luring some top recruit away from USC without commiting some major violations. USC probably has to truly only compete with 30 teams or so to be the best in the nation.

I do agree that it's impressive to maintain dominance in college, but there's also the factor that once you're on top, it's that much easier to keep getting star recruits.


let's just say that USC couldnt go into Oregon next week and play the way New England did today and still be in the title hunt


That's a valid point. College teams don't have the luxury to lose a game and still be in the hunt, too often. However, they frequently can hide an off week by having it against a sub-par opponent. Even the worst NFL team can knock of the best if the good team plays poorly. I think USC could have played horrendously and still beaten Arkansas. While if NE played horrendously, they'd likely lose to any team in the league.


i cant much argue with you there...

but along with this rationale, then why dont we consider a team that goes through the acc or sec with one loss as good a team as usc at 11-0... cause let's face it, the acc and sec are way better than the pac-10... the same could possibly be said for the bigten and big12 (being quite superior to the pac10)


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pearljamminagain wrote:
Go_State wrote:
pearljamminagain wrote:
Go_State wrote:
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Cal Varnsen wrote:
Go_State wrote:
With the parity in the NFL and just the pure difficulty of consistently winning a championship, plus actually keeping the same team together in the age of free agency, I think NE's run is far more impressive.


i agree. its amazing what they have accomplished in todays NFL.


and New England doesnt have to be better than over 100 teams and go undefeated to be #1 at the end of the year
l


I don't think this argument holds up. As a whole, each team in the NFL is on the same level in terms of money, ability to get players, etc. It's not perfectly equal footing, but it's close. The Akron Zips aren't luring some top recruit away from USC without commiting some major violations. USC probably has to truly only compete with 30 teams or so to be the best in the nation.

I do agree that it's impressive to maintain dominance in college, but there's also the factor that once you're on top, it's that much easier to keep getting star recruits.


let's just say that USC couldnt go into Oregon next week and play the way New England did today and still be in the title hunt


That's a valid point. College teams don't have the luxury to lose a game and still be in the hunt, too often. However, they frequently can hide an off week by having it against a sub-par opponent. Even the worst NFL team can knock of the best if the good team plays poorly. I think USC could have played horrendously and still beaten Arkansas. While if NE played horrendously, they'd likely lose to any team in the league.


i cant much argue with you there...

but along with this rationale, then why dont we consider a team that goes through the acc or sec with one loss as good a team as usc at 11-0... cause let's face it, the acc and sec are way better than the pac-10... the same could possibly be said for the bigten and big12 (being quite superior to the pac10)


I'm with you there. One of the main reasons people argue for a playoff system. Hell, I'd say USC could lose a game and there would still be a very strong argument they are the best team in the nation.

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