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 Post subject: Clinton Criticizes Bush
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:39 pm 
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Most of Clinton's comments are bolded.

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Clinton launches withering attack on Bush on Iraq, Katrina, budget Sun Sep 18, 3:43 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Former US president Bill Clinton sharply criticised George W. Bush for the Iraq War and the handling of Hurricane Katrina, and voiced alarm at the swelling US budget deficit.

Breaking with tradition under which US presidents mute criticisms of their successors, Clinton said the Bush administration had decided to invade Iraq "virtually alone and before UN inspections were completed, with no real urgency, no evidence that there were weapons of mass destruction."

The Iraq war diverted US attention from the war on terrorism "and undermined the support that we might have had,"
Clinton said in an interview with an ABC's "This Week" programme.

Clinton said there had been a "heroic but so far unsuccessful" effort to put together an constitution that would be universally supported in Iraq.

The US strategy of trying to develop the Iraqi military and police so that they can cope without US support "I think this is the best strategy. The problem is we may not have, in the short run, enough troops to do that," said Clinton.

On Hurricane Katrina, Clinton faulted the authorities' failure to evacuate New Orleans ahead of the storm's strike on August 29.

People with cars were able to heed the evacuation order, but many of those who were poor, disabled or elderly were left behind.

"If we really wanted to do it right, we would have had lots of buses lined up to take them out," Clinton.

He agreed that some responsibility for this lay with the local and state authorities, but pointed the finger, without naming him, at the former director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

FEMA boss Michael Brown quit in response to criticism of his handling of the Katrina disaster. He was viewed as a political appointee with no experience of disaster management or dealing with government officials.

"When James Lee Witt ran FEMA, because he had been both a local official and a federal official, he was always there early, and we always thought about that," Clinton said, referring to FEMA's head during his 1993-2001 presidency.

"But both of us came out of environments with a disproportionate number of poor people."

On the US budget, Clinton warned that the federal deficit may be coming untenable, driven by foreign wars, the post-hurricane recovery programme and tax cuts that benefitted just the richest one percent of the US population, himself included.

"What Americans need to understand is that ... every single day of the year, our government goes into the market and borrows money from other countries to finance Iraq, Afghanistan, Katrina, and our tax cuts," he said.

"We have never done this before. Never in the history of our republic have we ever financed a conflict, military conflict, by borrowing money from somewhere else."


Clinton added: "We depend on Japan, China, the United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia, and Korea primarily to basically loan us money every day of the year to cover my tax cut and these conflicts and Katrina. I don't think it makes any sense."


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I think this is the point during the lifecycle of a democracy that revolution is supposed to take place.


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he's a little late with those comments about the iraq war.

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jim wrote:
he's a little late with those comments about the iraq war.
No, he's been making them. He's just more in the news now.


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Athletic Supporter wrote:
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he's a little late with those comments about the iraq war.
No, he's been making them. He's just more in the news now.
W's dad is probably going to kick his ass while they are out helping with the hurricane stuff.

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What he is saying is not very controversial and mostly factual.

Looks like the Hilary campaign is beginning.

If she wins, how many years of US Presidency with just 2 families?


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TS808 wrote:
What he is saying is not very controversial and mostly factual.

Looks like the Hilary campaign is beginning.

If she wins, how many years of US Presidency with just 2 families?
Hillary would never win.


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Athletic Supporter wrote:
TS808 wrote:
What he is saying is not very controversial and mostly factual.

Looks like the Hilary campaign is beginning.

If she wins, how many years of US Presidency with just 2 families?
Hillary would never win.


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I agree she won't win.

Hopefully there are two candidates up for election that are better than the two morons we got last time.


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Athletic Supporter wrote:
TS808 wrote:
What he is saying is not very controversial and mostly factual.

Looks like the Hilary campaign is beginning.

If she wins, how many years of US Presidency with just 2 families?
Hillary would never win.



She could never even come close to carrying a state in the south.

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Athletic Supporter wrote:
TS808 wrote:
What he is saying is not very controversial and mostly factual.

Looks like the Hilary campaign is beginning.

If she wins, how many years of US Presidency with just 2 families?
Hillary would never win.


What do you mean? Even our troops love her.

Edit: Damn image didn't work, my joke has failed.


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C4Lukin wrote:
Athletic Supporter wrote:
TS808 wrote:
What he is saying is not very controversial and mostly factual.

Looks like the Hilary campaign is beginning.

If she wins, how many years of US Presidency with just 2 families?
Hillary would never win.


What do you mean? Even our troops love her.

Edit: Damn image didn't work, my joke has failed.


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FINALLY!! A democrat with the balls to speak out on real and unpopular issues! Too bad he's already been president...

I don't know which way it's gonna go, but we are on the verge of a major shift in political and social ideologies...this is the stuff history is made of.

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FINALLY!! A democrat with the balls to speak out on real and unpopular issues! Too bad he's already been president...

I don't know which way it's gonna go, but we are on the verge of a major shift in political and social ideologies...this is the stuff history is made of.


I actually think the moderates are primed to win this election. Most the people I talk to are sick as hell of the Christian Right, and the Hard Left. A McCainesque government will emerge from the rubble.


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I actually think the moderates are primed to win this election. Most the people I talk to are sick as hell of the Christian Right, and the Hard Left. A McCainesque government will emerge from the rubble.


One would hope. And I also believe that this really is the stuff that history is made of (as someone said earlier.) I just feel the undercurrents of a major shift in thinking or acting... not sure for the better, but I feel the unease in a lot of people I talk to.

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C4Lukin wrote:
A McCainesque government will emerge from the rubble.


Isn't that just a little bit to the right of a Clintonesque government?

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TS808 wrote:
I agree she won't win.

Just curious..................would she never win simply because she's a woman? Or is it because she's a Clinton? Or is it both?


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Kate wrote:
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I agree she won't win.

Just curious..................would she never win simply because she's a woman? Or is it because she's a Clinton? Or is it both?
Because she's a woman. Sorry.


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Because she's a woman. Sorry.

Next question then (if you'll indulge me :D ), what would make a woman incapable of being the president? I agree with you, I don't think a woman will be elected in my lifetime, but I wonder why so many are opposed to the mere mention of a female president.


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