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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:37 pm 
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ok, i am not a huge football fan but my team is the giants, and one thing i always wondered but never asked is this
(and i'll :oops: ahead of time)

why are the dallas cowboys in the nfc east?


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Tradition


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Tradition.

The Cowboys and Redskins, for example, go way back as far as their rivalry goes, and it'd be heresy for them to be in a different division.

This, of course, resulted in the Niners and Rams in the same division as the Saints and Falcons for a long time (doesn't make much sense, does it?).


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thanks for the info.


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yeah..why even reallign if you want tradition

heres another question..how can there be an afc south and miami not in it....can you get any farther south than miami??..heres an idea..lets take the southmost team and put them in a division where the other teams are in arctic weather

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when i was in school i used to re-align the divisions for all of the major sports instead of taking notes.

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yeah..why even reallign if you want tradition

heres another question..how can there be an afc south and miami not in it....can you get any farther south than miami??..heres an idea..lets take the southmost team and put them in a division where the other teams are in arctic weather


And it is not an advantage for Miami early in the season when it is 95 degrees?


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Cal Varnsen wrote:
when i was in school i used to re-align the divisions for all of the major sports instead of taking notes.


Realigning teams makes much more sense than giving a league/conference home field advantage for winning the all-star game. Cal I nominate you to take Bud Selig's job.


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Cal I nominate you to take Bud Selig's job.


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What's the deal with the allocation of player numbers?
Linemen a certain range. Kickers, QBs etc.


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ts_editor wrote:
What's the deal with the allocation of player numbers?
Linemen a certain range. Kickers, QBs etc.


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I read the entire NFL rulebook the other day, and it's just apart of how the rules were constructed. I can't give you any history, but I can tell you that the loophole in the numbers the wide receivers can wear has been exploited in the past decade for the first time in awhile, and it's just now catching on.


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parchy wrote:
ts_editor wrote:
What's the deal with the allocation of player numbers?
Linemen a certain range. Kickers, QBs etc.

I read the entire NFL rulebook the other day, and it's just apart of how the rules were constructed. I can't give you any history, but I can tell you that the loophole in the numbers the wide receivers can wear has been exploited in the past decade for the first time in awhile, and it's just now catching on.

But who wears which number?
00-10 = kickers, QB
11-20 =
etc.

What was the loophole?

And how come baseball players need a big-ass leather glove?
Are Americans born with a inability to catch cleanly?


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I thought that they flat out changed the rule to allow WRs to wear 10-19 a couple years back.

I think the "loophole" was that receivers could be listed as a long shot backup QB, like Kordell Stewart, for example. That's probably how Keyshawn got away with it back in the day.


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Green Habit wrote:
I thought that they flat out changed the rule to allow WRs to wear 10-19 a couple years back.

I think the "loophole" was that receivers could be listed as a long shot backup QB, like Kordell Stewart, for example. That's probably how Keyshawn got away with it back in the day.


Yeah, the flat out changed the rule. Before, the only way a reciever could get a number other than the 80's was if there were no more numbers when camp opened. As the league has begun to include more passing, more and more often, players going into camp did not have an 80's number available.


And i think a big part of the reason for the restrictions is pass eligability. If a player in the 1-49 comes in, they dont have to check in as eligible with the refs... if someone in the 60-79, 90-99 comes in, they have to advise the refs they are an eligible reciever.


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parchy wrote:
I read the entire NFL rulebook the other day


Was this before or after watching your endless video footage of Staubach?

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Go_State wrote:
parchy wrote:
I read the entire NFL rulebook the other day


Was this before or after watching your endless video footage of Staubach?


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edzeppe wrote:
if someone in the 60-79, 90-99 comes in, they have to advise the refs they are an eligible reciever.

Wouldn't anyone on the field be an eligible reciever? If someone hadn't told the ref "Hey, I might wanna catch one" and scored a TD from a 68yd pass would it be flagged?


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ts_editor wrote:
edzeppe wrote:
if someone in the 60-79, 90-99 comes in, they have to advise the refs they are an eligible reciever.

Wouldn't anyone on the field be an eligible reciever? If someone hadn't told the ref "Hey, I might wanna catch one" and scored a TD from a 68yd pass would it be flagged?


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No. there are two "sections" of the offense... Backs, and Line.

All backs are eligible. And one person on each end of the line is eligible. Usually a tight end on one side, and a "Split end" off to the side. You must have 7 people on the line- so the 5 in the middle are not able to catch a pass (unless deflected first, but thats a different issue)

If a person with an ineligble number (or anyone of the 5 in the middle of the line) goes past the line of scrimmage before the ball is thrown on a pass play, it is a penalty.

and if someone with an ineligible number is going to play an eligible position, the referee has to be notified.


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That's stupid.
What if the QB is forced out to scramble to the sideline, but looking back the other way notices his centre open in the endzone to score the TD which will win the Superbowl, can he not pass it to him?

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.... anyone of the 5 in the middle of the line) goes past the line of scrimmage before the ball is thrown on a pass play, it is a penalty.

So, the offensive line has to hold it's ground, it can't push the defense back to give more time to the QB, only block? And once an offensive line man crosses the line of scrimage is he effectively out of the play (unless turnover)?


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ts_editor wrote:
That's stupid.
What if the QB is forced out to scramble to the sideline, but looking back the other way notices his centre open in the endzone to score the TD which will win the Superbowl, can he not pass it to him?

Can a goalie skate all the way down the ice with the puck in his glove hand, and throw it in the other goal? Can a catcher hold the batters bat so he cant swing it? Of course not. Its just a rule of the game.

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.... anyone of the 5 in the middle of the line) goes past the line of scrimmage before the ball is thrown on a pass play, it is a penalty.

ts_editor wrote:
So, the offensive line has to hold it's ground, it can't push the defense back to give more time to the QB, only block? And once an offensive line man crosses the line of scrimage is he effectively out of the play (unless turnover)?


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yes, on a pass play, an offensive line can only hold its ground. It cant drive the man downfield. Pass Blocking is more like creating a wall.
If he crosses the line of scrimmage, it is a 5 yard penelty for illegal man downfield.


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