I found this quite amusing, yet rather pathetic at the same time.
Emergency Declared After Anti-Nazi Riots
Oct 16 12:27 AM US/Eastern
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By JOHN SEEWER
Associated Press Writer
TOLEDO, Ohio
A crowd protesting a white supremacists' march Saturday turned violent, throwing baseball-sized rocks at police, vandalizing vehicles and stores, and setting fire to a neighborhood bar, authorities said.
When Mayor Jack Ford and a local minister tried to calm the rioting, they were cursed for allowing the march, and Ford said a masked gang member threatened to shoot him.
At least 65 people were arrested and several police officers were injured before calm was restored about four hours later.
Ford blamed the rioting on gangs taking advantage of a volatile situation. He declared a state of emergency, set an 8 p.m. curfew through the weekend, and asked the Highway Patrol for help.
"It's exactly what they wanted," Ford said of the group that planned the march, which was canceled because of the rioting.
At least two dozen members of the National Socialist Movement, which calls itself "America's Nazi Party," had gathered at a city park to march under police protection. Organizers said they were demonstrating against black gangs they said were harassing white residents.
The violence broke out about one-quarter of a mile away along the planned march route shortly before it was to begin. One group of men pounded on a convenience store, and others overturned vehicles. There was a report of a shooting but police hadn't found a victim, Police Chief Mike Navarre said.
About 150 police officers chased bands of young men through the area. Officers wearing gas masks fired tear gas canisters and flash-bang devices designed to stun suspects, but the groups continued throwing rocks and bottles. Several officers and firefighters suffered minor injuries, Navarre said. At one point, the crowd reached 600 people, officials said.
Finally, police marched shoulder-to-shoulder down the street shouting to people to stay inside, and the crowd of several hundred broke up.
At least 65 people were arrested on charges including assault, vandalism, failure to obey police and failure to disperse, Navarre said. He said the white supremacists had left hours earlier.
"We frankly could have made a couple hundred arrests easily," Navarre said. "We just didn't have the resources on hand to arrest all of them."
The mayor had appealed to residents the night before to ignore the march. He said the city wouldn't give the Nazi group a permit to march in the streets but couldn't stop them from walking on the sidewalks.
When the rioting began, Ford tried to negotiate with those involved, but "they weren't interested in that." He said people in the crowd swore at him and wanted to know why he was protecting the Nazis.
They were mostly "gang members who had real or imagined grievances and took it as an opportunity to speak in their own way," Ford said.
"I was chagrined that there were obvious mothers and children in the crowd with them," he said.
Thomas Frisch, 76, said a large group of men destroyed the exterior of a gas station next to his home of 30 years.
"A whole big gang started to come in here. Next thing you know, they're jumping on the car. Then they overturned it. Then they started on the building, breaking windows, ripping the bars off," he said.
Louis Ratajski, 86, and his nephew, Terry Rybczynski, left Jim & Lou's Bar as a crowd gathered in front pelting police with rocks and breaking the windows. They climbed down a fire escape from the apartment where Ratajski lived over the bar and only later saw the fire on television.
"I was shaking. I feared for my life." Rybczynski said.
Keith White, a black resident, criticized city officials for allowing the march in the first place.
"They let them come here and expect this not to happen?" said White, 29.
A spokesman for the National Socialist Movement blamed police for losing control of the situation.
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It's nice to see they're taking up arms against the Nazis in Toledo.
Who the fuck are these nazis? I's 2005--can't we all agree that nazism is not a good political philosophy? Look what it did to the nazis! It brought war on those fools. The world rejected that ideology and popped it like a zit on the face of the planet.
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TomJoad187 wrote:
It's nice to see they're taking up arms against the Nazis in Toledo.
Who the fuck are these nazis? I's 2005--can't we all agree that nazism is not a good political philosophy? Look what it did to the nazis! It brought war on those fools. The world rejected that ideology and popped it like a zit on the face of the planet.
How can it be a good thing to respond to someone elses opinion with Violence?
Not to mention, rioting over it, just further gives some credibility to what the nazis are saying..
Every time these idiots go to a Nazi rally and cause shit they are doing EXACTLY what the nazis want. Why does anyone think they have rallies in public places? These fucking "anti-racist action" groups are just kids trying to prove how liberal and open-minded they are by screaming and beating the shit out of (or attempting to beat the shit out of) people they are oppposed to. They're all morons.
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edzeppe wrote:
TomJoad187 wrote:
It's nice to see they're taking up arms against the Nazis in Toledo.
Who the fuck are these nazis? I's 2005--can't we all agree that nazism is not a good political philosophy? Look what it did to the nazis! It brought war on those fools. The world rejected that ideology and popped it like a zit on the face of the planet.
How can it be a good thing to respond to someone elses opinion with Violence?
Not to mention, rioting over it, just further gives some credibility to what the nazis are saying..
What are the Nazis saying? I believe some "opinions" justify an angry response. Let's not forget that Nazi-type movements have created ethnic wars. Anyone willing to label themself as Nazi should come to expect violence.
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TomJoad187 wrote:
What are the Nazis saying? I believe some "opinions" justify an angry response. Let's not forget that Nazi-type movements have created ethnic wars. Anyone willing to label themself as Nazi should come to expect violence.
Of COURSE they expect violence... But as long as they arent the one throwing the first punch, they win.
If they restrain this type of speech.. The Hate Groups ultimately win. I hear "Niggers are a bunch animals, lazy chimps who should go back to africa" i think- Man, Nazis are fucking idiots.....
If i (presuming no prior knowledge of a groups viewpoints) hear "we are being repressed by our government, and we are not able to say what we think" i may say, "hmmm, what are these people saying that is so important.. maybe ill check them out".
And yes, some opinions DO justify an ANGRY response. Not a violent one. Some ACTIONS justify a violent response.
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edzeppe wrote:
TomJoad187 wrote:
What are the Nazis saying? I believe some "opinions" justify an angry response. Let's not forget that Nazi-type movements have created ethnic wars. Anyone willing to label themself as Nazi should come to expect violence.
Of COURSE they expect violence... But as long as they arent the one throwing the first punch, they win.
If they restrain this type of speech.. The Hate Groups ultimately win. I hear "Niggers are a bunch animals, lazy chimps who should go back to africa" i think- Man, Nazis are fucking idiots..... If i (presuming no prior knowledge of a groups viewpoints) hear "we are being repressed by our government, and we are not able to say what we think" i may say, "hmmm, what are these people saying that is so important.. maybe ill check them out".
And yes, some opinions DO justify an ANGRY response. Not a violent one. Some ACTIONS justify a violent response.
Hey, I'm not saying there should be laws supporting violence against extremist hate groups--I say we leave the government out of this one. While I wouldn't necessarily respond with violence, I'm not going to say Nazi's rights were infringed because they caught a beat down. It's cause and effect. If you can't take the heat, turn off the blowdryer. Let the government prosecute the guilty, but don't expect people to stand idly by when there is a threat to culture and society in their backyard.
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This is my feeling... Like it has been said in this thread... violence against them is exactly what they want, so don't do it. Let them hold their rally and wallow in their ignorance and pay them no mind. Then when it is done, the Neo-Nazis can go back to their trailer park in their '72 Ford pickup with their 9 cracker 3 tooth spawn and fuck their sisters and watch Jerry Springer to see their mother taking it in the ass from their brothers. If they consider that being supreme, more power to them... Just so their is no mistaken, Fuck these Nazi cocks and all of their ideas. Peace.
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From what I've read, the violence was directed mainly at the police, not at the Nazis. They were long gone by the time the rioting ended. Supposedly, the Nazi demonstration was a reaction to recent violence against whites by blacks in Toledo, not that I believe them, but that's what they said. The reaction by the counter-demonstrators made no sense at all. Hurting the police and destroying stores?? They played right into the idiot Nazis hands.
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I love my hometown...
Never knew this was a tinderbox for racial tensions as stated by some ass on Fox News.
What really pisses me off was to watch these fucking idiots destroy their own neighborhoods for no reason other than to cause havoc. They were all acting like thugs on TV. Seen some dumb shit going on elsewhere when i was out and about.
I just dont get the mentality at work here.
In todays paper they are criticizing the Mayor for police layoffs. Well im against it myself but the man had 150 officers in an area the size of 3 city blocks basically. THats a good show of force. THese local idiots say all this happened because he wanted to lay off roughly 30 officers. I just love how people try to attack any and every angle possible. Later in the day they had over 600 officers in the area. What would 30 more really do.
Ok im just ranting but this shit was so stupid.
Bring it to my neighborhood though, i light your ass up quicker than shit.
They were mostly "gang members who had real or imagined grievances and took it as an opportunity to speak in their own way," Ford said.
I wonder how much of his city will be left if they are allowed to keep "speaking in thier own way?"
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Keith White, a black resident, criticized city officials for allowing the march in the first place.
"They let them come here and expect this not to happen?" said White, 29.
I must argee with this. It seems recently that when anything that pisses off the urban black community justified violence erupts. Well jusitifed by those who are too scared to stand up up ask WTF is wrong with culture in this country that anyone would considert this type of behavior anything but pointless violent mayhem? Another win for the Nazi's thanks to popular black culture.
Keith White, a black resident, criticized city officials for allowing the march in the first place. "They let them come here and expect this not to happen?" said White, 29.
broken_iris wrote:
I must argee with this.
They (the police) allowed it to happen because it's protected under the first amendment.
To quote the Illinois Supreme Court in Village of Skokie v. National Socialist Party (in which Nazis marched through the predominantly Jewish Chicago suburb:
Illinois Supreme Court wrote:
In summary, as we read the controlling Supreme Court opinions, use of the swastika is a symbolic form of free speech entitled to first amendment protections. Its display on uniforms or banner by those engaged in peaceful demonstrations cannot be totally precluded soley because that display may provoke a violent reaction by those who view it. Particularly is this true where, as here, there has been advance notice by the demonstrators of their plans so that they have become, as the complaint alleges, "common knowledge and those to whom sight of the swastika banner or uniforms would be offense are forewarned and need not view them. A speaker who gives prior notice of his message has not compelled a confrontation with those who voluntarily listen.
The reaction of the citizens is not justified by any means -- constitutionally or logically -- and, as most have said, only played into the Nazi's goals.
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If the citizens of the town had really wanted to be heard, they should have organized a counter protest with three people for every Nazi marching. They would have drowned out the Nazis completely, and done so with something a lot stronger than violence--pride.
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Keith White, a black resident, criticized city officials for allowing the march in the first place. "They let them come here and expect this not to happen?" said White, 29.
broken_iris wrote:
I must argee with this.
They (the police) allowed it to happen because it's protected under the first amendment.
To quote the Illinois Supreme Court in Village of Skokie v. National Socialist Party (in which Nazis marched through the predominantly Jewish Chicago suburb:
Yeah, I am aware of the first amendment. The above quote was from a black resident, about the black gang responce. He said he expected the black gangs to go out of control and destroy the neighborhood. I was agreeing with that expectation, based on similar events all over the nation.
I do not believe the 1st amendment protects the right to riot and destory other people's livelyhoods because you are offended. Though I am sure Sister Soldia disagrees.
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Thank you to the people of Toledo for making the Klan look like responsible people.
This is what happens when you live to close to Detroit.
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Between this and what happened in Cincinnatti a couple of years ago, and even when Ohio State won the national championship a few years back, well hey, I think Ohio needs a new slogan. Definitely not the "Buckeye State" anymore. Suggestions?
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Pledge My Grievance wrote:
Between this and what happened in Cincinnatti a couple of years ago, and even when Ohio State won the national championship a few years back, well hey, I think Ohio needs a new slogan. Definitely not the "Buckeye State" anymore. Suggestions?
Blackeye State? Or would "black" be considered racially charged and politically incorrect?
i say let them tear up their own town...fucking morons.
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