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This is truly unbelievable:

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1231684&page=1

Oct. 20, 2005 — Thirteen-year-old twins Lamb and Lynx Gaede have one album out, another on the way, a music video, and lots of fans.

They may remind you another famous pair of singers, the Olsen Twins, and the girls say they like that. But unlike the Olsens, who built a media empire on their fun-loving, squeaky-clean image, Lamb and Lynx are cultivating a much darker personna. They are white nationalists and use their talents to preach a message of hate.

"We're proud of being white, we want to keep being white," said Lynx. "We want our people to stay white … we don't want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race."

Lynx and Lamb have been nurtured on racist beliefs since birth by their mother April. "They need to have the background to understand why certain things are happening," said April, a stay-at-home mom who no longer lives with the twins' father. "I'm going to give them, give them my opinion just like any, any parent would."

April home-schools the girls, teaching them her own unique perspective on everything from current to historical events. In addition, April's father surrounds the family with symbols of his beliefs — specifically the Nazi swastika. It appears on his belt buckle, on the side of his pick-up truck and he's even registered it as his cattle brand with the Bureau of Livestock Identification.

"Because it's provocative," explains April of the cattle brand, "to him he thinks it's important as a symbol of freedom of speech that he can use it as his cattle brand."


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Songs like "Sacrifice" — a tribute to Nazi Rudolf Hess, Hitler's deputy Fuhrer — clearly show the effect of the girls' upbringing. The lyrics praise Hess as a "man of peace who wouldn't give up."

"It really breaks my heart to see those two girls spewing out that kind of garbage," said Ted Shaw, civil rights advocate and president of the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund — though Shaw points out that the girls aren't espousing their own opinions but ones they're being taught.

On that point, April Gaede and Ted Shaw apparently agree.

"Well, all children pretty much espouse their parents' attitudes," she said. "We're white nationalists and of course that's a part of our life and I'm going to share that part of my life with my children."

Since they began singing, the girls have become such a force in the white nationalist movement, that David Duke — the former presidential candidate, one-time Ku-Klux-Klan grand wizard and outspoken white supremacist — uses the twins to draw a crowd.

Prussian Blue supporter Erich Gliebe, operator of one of the nation's most notorious hate music labels, Resistance Records, hopes younger performers like Lynx and Lamb will help expand the base of the White Nationalist cause.

"Eleven and 12 years old," he said, "I think that's the perfect age to start grooming kids and instill in them a strong racial identity."

Gliebe, who targets young, mainstream white rockers at music festivals like this past summer's "Ozzfest," says he uses music to get his message out.

But with names like Blue-Eyed Devils and Angry Aryans, these tunes are far more extreme than the ones sung by Lamb and Lynx.

"We give them a CD, we give them something as simple as a stick, they can go to our Web site and see other music and download some of our music," said Gliebe. "To me, that's the best propaganda tool for our youth."


A Taste for Hate


Gliebe says he hopes that as younger racist listeners mature, so will their tastes for harder, angrier music like that of Shawn Sugg of Max Resist.

One of Sugg's songs is a fantasy piece about a possible future racial war that goes: "Let the cities burn, let the streets run red, if you ain't white you'll be dead."

"I'd like to compare it to gangsta rap," explained Sugg, "where they glorify, you know, shooting n****** and pimping whores."

Sugg shrugs off criticism that music like his should not be handed out to schoolyard children, arguing that "it's just music, it's not like you're handing out AK-47s."

Perhaps not, but Shaw says it's the ideas in the music that are dangerous.

"When you talk about people being dead if they're not white," said Shaw, "I don't think there is much question that that is hateful."


A Place to Call Home


Despite the success of Prussian Blue and bands like Max Resist within the White Nationalism movement, most Americans don't accept their racist message.

Like many children across the country, Lamb and Lynx decided to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina — the white ones.

The girls' donations were handed out by a White Nationalist organization who also left a pamphlet promoting their group and beliefs — some of the intended recipients were more than a little displeased.

After a day of trying, the supplies ended up with few takers, dumped at a local shop that sells Confederate memorabilia.

Last month, the girls were scheduled to perform at the local county fair in their hometown. But when some people in the community protested, Prussian Blue was removed from the line-up.

But even before that, April had decided that Bakersfield was not "white" enough, so she sold her home, and hopes that she and the girls can find an all-white community in the Pacific Northwest.

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Great way to ensure these girls can't recant their views easily once they're old enough to think for themselves.

Hard to believe white supremacy has much sway anymore though. That said, a few more terrorist attacks by non-whites and that could change.

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man, that's really sad.


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Way to go ABCNews for giving them the largest exposure they could possibly hope for. :roll:


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Way to go ABCNews for giving them the largest exposure they could possibly hope for. :roll:


That's exactly it.

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They're kind of hot. Too bad they're white nationalists...and only 13.

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whygodeep wrote:
They may remind you another famous pair of singers, the Olsen Twins,


Wait a second, the Olsen twins are singers?

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JimNasium wrote:
whygodeep wrote:
They may remind you another famous pair of singers, the Olsen Twins,


Wait a second, the Olsen twins are singers?


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flavdave wrote:
JimNasium wrote:
whygodeep wrote:
They may remind you another famous pair of singers, the Olsen Twins,


Wait a second, the Olsen twins are singers?


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whygodeep wrote:
"We're proud of being white, we want to keep being white," said Lynx.

well shit, i didn't realise there was a racket in changing the colour of little girl's skin.

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whygodeep wrote:
"We're proud of being white, we want to keep being white," said Lynx.

well shit, i didn't realise there was a racket in changing the colour of little girl's skin.


exactly what i was going to say. i didn't realise you could become "non-white.

it is, i suppose your right to expouse your beliefs, no matter how extreme they are. but it seems awfully inappropriate to use your children to further such radical means. and like someone else said, these kids are never going to be able to live this down. the will always be known as those "white supremacist child singers." that's perhaps the sadest part of this whole thing. these parents have branded, pardon the reference, their children in the most horrible way.

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Its things like this that make me agree with Adam Corolla's call to wipe Bakersfield off the face of the earth.


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They will probably both date black guys in high school just to piss off their parents. Stuff like this always backfires.

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May I ask a controversial question?


Let me preface by saying I abhor white supremecist groups and everything they stand for. They are hate groups, not pride groups. That being said, is "white pride" ever okay? Or must it be broken down into Irish, French, English, German pride? I have been watching reality show competitions, and particularly I think of America's Next Top Model (if you wish to ridicule me, do it in General Discussion) where there were two African American women as the top two finalists. They were the best two girls, by far so I do not dispute that. And they were proud that two African American girls were at the top, and I do not dispute that pride. I think pride in your roots is good. But as one of the girls was saying how great it was that two black girls were the finalists, a question was raised about what would happen if two white girls were the finalists and one of them said, I'm just so proud that being a strong white woman I've made it to the finals.

I know the struggles are different. Absolutely they are. But when, if ever, does a white person feel pride in their race without feeling ashamed? Or does there need to be a shift from thinking that being a strong black woman is important to thinking that being a strong woman is important?

I simply ask these questions to stoke the fire, not to reflect my own beliefs. I'm curious what some arguments for either side would be.

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But when, if ever, does a white person feel pride in their race without feeling ashamed?


Infidel racist capitalist pig-dog. How dare you question the double-standard?!? Do you not know that historically white people are guilty of everything and everyone else is innocent? You must be one of those conservatives who thinks that people should be judged on their behavior and not the color of their skin. Such racism is said in our modern day.

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we want to keep being white

What, did her parents tell her that she'd fucking mutate into a different race or something?

It's hard for me to believe that there are still people like this living in the US. Great, now they're trying to move up to the Nortwest.

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May I ask a controversial question?


Let me preface by saying I abhor white supremecist groups and everything they stand for. They are hate groups, not pride groups. That being said, is "white pride" ever okay? Or must it be broken down into Irish, French, English, German pride? I have been watching reality show competitions, and particularly I think of America's Next Top Model (if you wish to ridicule me, do it in General Discussion) where there were two African American women as the top two finalists. They were the best two girls, by far so I do not dispute that. And they were proud that two African American girls were at the top, and I do not dispute that pride. I think pride in your roots is good. But as one of the girls was saying how great it was that two black girls were the finalists, a question was raised about what would happen if two white girls were the finalists and one of them said, I'm just so proud that being a strong white woman I've made it to the finals.

I know the struggles are different. Absolutely they are. But when, if ever, does a white person feel pride in their race without feeling ashamed? Or does there need to be a shift from thinking that being a strong black woman is important to thinking that being a strong woman is important?

I simply ask these questions to stoke the fire, not to reflect my own beliefs. I'm curious what some arguments for either side would be.



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Well I went to their site to check out what their lyrics are like, and believe me, they do not dissapoint. Here's some samples:



The Road to Valhalla ( by Ian Stuart)
-Dedicated to the memory of Sammy Weaver-

There is a road and it leads to Valhalla Where only the Chosen are allowed. There is a boy with a dream of Valhalla, A place in the land of the Gods. But in the heart, where the fire burns forever, Where life goes on for those who fell in battle, The Gods are waiting for the moment he falls in the fight, And he will rise when the sun goes down.

He raised high his sword, as he cried out “Valhalla!” His dream had become reality. Tonight he will dine, on the road to Valhalla, Chosen to feast with the Gods. But in the heart, where the fire burns forever, Where life goes on for the might young Viking, The journey has finally come to and end, for the boy. And he has risen as the bravest of them all.



Aryan Man Awake
(by Lamb and April)

When the man who plows the fields is driven from his lands. When the carpenter must give away what he's built with his own hands. When a mother's only children belong to her no more. And black masked men with guns come bashing down the doors. Where freedom exists for only those with darker skin. Where lies and propaganda will never let you win. Where symbols of your heritage are held with such contempt, and benefits of country 'cept tax are you exempt .

Aryan man awake, How much more will you take, Turn that fear to hate, Aryan man awake.

Can you see how they lie to warp your daughter's minds? Can you let your sons be trodden down or held behind? Can you apologize for things you did not do, and leave this battle that we fight to the proud and the few? What will it take for you to waken to the truth? What will it take for you to remember your own youth? What will you give up to help this worthy Cause, and strike with force and fury, without a single pause?

What will it take for you to remember your own folk? What will it take for you to break that heavy yoke? Why do you still cast your eyes downward to the ground? Worry lest what you say have prejudicial sound. Who will stand beside us when the war begins? Who will run and hide their heads and wait to see who wins? Who will face the end and watch a Valkyrie ride forth To join the gods and fallen stormtroopers of the North?



Sacrifice
(words and music by Lamb)

He fought so strong for our race. We're finally back in our place. It took his life, my dear son, and now it's over the war is won. Our Race was saved because the lives that were sacrificed: those men that died...

Sacrifice , they gave their lives. All those men who have died. Sacrifice, they gave their lives, all those men who have died.

Warrior poet, I sing his songs. Ian Stuart, with his voice so strong. Remember his words, as we sing along.

Rudolph Hess, man of Peace. He wouldn't give up and he wouldn't cease, to give his loyalty to our Cause. Remember him and give a pause.

Robert Matthews knew the Truth. He knew what he had to do. He set an example with Courage so bold. We'll never let that fire grow cold.

Dr Pierce, a man so wise, helped so many of us open our eyes, and see the future for what it could be: a future for our Race’s eternity.



Yep, those are definitely some of the catchiest teen pop lyrics that I have ever read in my life. :arrow:

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What, did her parents tell her that she'd fucking mutate into a different race or something?

It's hard for me to believe that there are still people like this living in the US. Great, now they're trying to move up to the Nortwest.


I'm not sure if you guys are being sarcastic, or you're actually misunderstanding... but they are railing against interracial marriages and children.

The idea being, if whites and blacks and yellows and browns reproduce, there won't be separate racial identities anymore. Except that they really don't give a fuck aboutany identity except the white identity.

This was at the centre of all the fuss with Brown v. Board of Education and indeed all the desegregation/Civil Rights Act cases. Though no one would would ever say it openly: a number of whites in the Deep south were skeered of having 'colored' grandkiddies.

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Let me preface by saying I abhor white supremecist groups and everything they stand for. They are hate groups, not pride groups. That being said, is "white pride" ever okay? Or must it be broken down into Irish, French, English, German pride? I have been watching reality show competitions, and particularly I think of America's Next Top Model (if you wish to ridicule me, do it in General Discussion) where there were two African American women as the top two finalists. They were the best two girls, by far so I do not dispute that. And they were proud that two African American girls were at the top, and I do not dispute that pride. I think pride in your roots is good. But as one of the girls was saying how great it was that two black girls were the finalists, a question was raised about what would happen if two white girls were the finalists and one of them said, I'm just so proud that being a strong white woman I've made it to the finals.

I know the struggles are different. Absolutely they are. But when, if ever, does a white person feel pride in their race without feeling ashamed? Or does there need to be a shift from thinking that being a strong black woman is important to thinking that being a strong woman is important?

I simply ask these questions to stoke the fire, not to reflect my own beliefs. I'm curious what some arguments for either side would be.


You raise some really good (and incredibly touchy) questions.

It reminds me of a guy I knew a few years back. We both rented a room in a house with about 7 other people while going to college. The kind of place where you don't pick your roomates...Anyways he claimed quite frequently that he was "White Pride" and explained to me that his beliefs were not of white power, or white supremacy or any other hate based organization, but that he believed that one should be proud of himself and where he comes from. I never heard him speak ill of any race or culture, maybe he just kept it to himself i don't know. He never did anything or said anything that I would deem offensive or racist. The only thing that threw me off was a couple of times i heard him listening to this shitty techno music with what sounded like sound bytes of Hitler sampled into it :? .

I don't really know what the point of that story was, i guess it's just the only encounter i've ever really had with someone who belonged to one of those groups.


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