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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:25 am 
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WTF!?!?! :shock:
Thank you, Daily Show, for pointing this shit out to me.

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Senate Emerges From Closed Session on Iraq
By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
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WASHINGTON - In a day of political drama, Democrats forced the Republican-controlled Senate into an unusual closed session Tuesday, questioning intelligence that President Bush used in the run-up to the war in Iraq and accusing Republicans of ignoring the issue.

"They have repeatedly chosen to protect the Republican administration rather than get to the bottom of what happened and why," Democratic leader Harry Reid said.

The afternoon halt in Senate business let Democrats steer the spotlight to the war in Iraq, an issue on which the president is doing badly in public opinion polls.

Taken by surprise, Republicans derided the move as a political stunt but agreed two hours later to a bipartisan review of the Senate Intelligence Committee's investigation into prewar intelligence.

"The United States Senate has been hijacked by the Democratic leadership," said Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee. The Republican leader also said President Bush's decision to nominate Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court had "set the Democrats back on their heels. ... This may just be a reaction to that."

Democrats sought assurances that Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts of Kansas would complete the second phase of an investigation of the administration's prewar intelligence. A six-member task force — three members from each party — was appointed to review the Intelligence Committee's work and report to their respective leaders by Nov. 14.

Roberts' committee produced a 511-page report in 2004 on flaws in an Iraq intelligence estimate assembled by the country's top analysts in October 2002, and he promised a second phase would look at issues that couldn't be finished in the first year of work.

The committee worked on the second phase of the review, Roberts said, but it has not finished. He blamed Democrats for the delays and said his staff had informed Democratic counterparts on Monday that the committee hoped to complete the second phase next week.

"Now we have this ... stunt 24 hours after their staff was informed that we were moving to closure next week," a clearly angry Roberts told reporters. "If that's not politics, I'm not standing here."

In mid-afternoon Tuesday, Reid demanded the Senate go into closed session. The public was ordered out of the chamber, the lights were dimmed, and the doors were closed. No vote is required in such circumstances.

Reid's move refocused attention on the continuing controversy over prewar intelligence. Despite administration claims, no weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq, and some Democrats have accused the White House of twisting the intelligence to exaggerate the threat posed by Iraq.

Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, was indicted last Friday in an investigation that touched on the war — the leak of the identity of a CIA official married to a critic of the administration's Iraq policy.

"The Libby indictment provides a window into what this is really all about, how this administration manufactured and manipulated intelligence in order to sell the war in Iraq and attempted to destroy those who dared to challenge its actions," Reid said before invoking Senate rules that led to the closed session.

Libby resigned from his White House post after being indicted on charges of obstruction of justice, making false statements and perjury.

Democrats contend that the unmasking of CIA officer Valerie Plame was retribution for her husband, Joseph Wilson's publicly challenging the Bush administration's contention that Iraq was seeking to purchase uranium from Africa. That claim was part of the White House's justification for going to war.

As Reid spoke, Frist met in the back of the chamber with a half-dozen senior GOP senators, including Roberts, who bore the brunt of Reid's criticism. Reid claimed that Republicans have repeatedly rebuffed Democratic pleas for a thorough investigation.

Sen. Trent Lott (news, bio, voting record), R-Miss., a former majority leader, said a closed session was appropriate for such overarching matters as impeachment and chemical weapons — the two topics that last sent the senators into such sessions.

In addition, Lott said, Reid's move violated the Senate's tradition of courtesy and consent. But there was nothing in Senate rules enabling Republicans to thwart Reid's effort.


The Senate had been considering a budget bill when it went into closed session.


Someone mentioned the Trent Lott stuff in the Plame thread, but I still think it was cool. 8)

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Part of me likes how easy it is for the minority in the Senate to do something like this. Another part of me worries about how quickly they can do it.

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Part of me likes how easy it is for the minority in the Senate to do something like this. Another part of me worries about how quickly they can do it.


Meh, all they did is force a discussion. Of course, if the Republicans don't like it, they can create a new nuclear option and change Senate rules.

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it was basically the cia case and libby being indicted that caused this. otherwise, i was wondering what took so long for it to happen.

it actually made bigger news than i thought it would.

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Well they didn't really discuss the Iraq War prior to invasion. So I guess better late then never. :roll:

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Meh, it's just more politics.

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I saw on the news this morning that it was the first time in 25 years that this had happened

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Well they didn't really discuss the Iraq War prior to invasion. So I guess better late then never. :roll:


Exactly, Maybe they should of done this about two and a half years ago and 2000 people could of been home and alive.

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Well they didn't really discuss the Iraq War prior to invasion. So I guess better late then never. :roll:


Exactly, Maybe they should of done this about two and a half years ago and 2000 people could of been home and alive.

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WTF!?!?! :shock:
Thank you, Daily Show, for pointing this shit out to me.


did you see the live footage of ed during the poverty piece?


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Exactly, Maybe they should of done this about two and a half years ago and 2000 people could of been home and alive.


Yeah, because there was never any discussions.

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Exactly, Maybe they should of done this about two and a half years ago and 2000 people could of been home and alive.


Yeah, because there was never any discussions.


The discussions I remember went something like this: one side said, "don't do it," and the other side said "we are doing it." We were given all kinds of "there is no choice" jive, and the whole country was turned into a talk radio station. And it is 2005 and RIGHT NOW we are considering the legitimacy of the evidence for which we went to war. Sounds like buyer's remorse.

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Yes there was discussion, but nothing more than saying we are going to war, if anyone has a problem, tough shit. The discussions didn't change the decision to go, no discussion would of... the Bu$h Regime was hell-bent on this war, and in my eyes, makes them responsible for every causilty from the war.

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i think because of how fucked in the head 9/11 made us, we didn't know what to think when the idea for war in iraq surfaced. :?


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i think because of how fucked in the head 9/11 made us, we didn't know what to think when the idea for war in iraq surfaced. :?



True, and that's all well and good for the citizens, but our elected leaders should ALWAYS keep a level head in the face of any disaster of any size and make the right decision and choices for their citizens. That is what leadership is.

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i think because of how fucked in the head 9/11 made us, we didn't know what to think when the idea for war in iraq surfaced. :?



True, and that's all well and good for the citizens, but our elected leaders should ALWAYS keep a level head in the face of any disaster of any size and make the right decision and choices for their citizens. That is what leadership is.


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It's no secret that people in this administration had it out for Iraq since the early '90s. As they rose to power, it was definitely a high priority, but they knew they needed a reason. When 9/11 happened, they seized the opportunity to attempt to link Iraq to it in some form or another--if not directly than through the manipulation of evidence to make Americans feel that this was necessary or we'd be dealing with something much worse than 9/11. I think they all thought that this thing would be over long, long before anyone was able to start asking questions and digging shit up. I think they placed all their chips on that, and before this is all over, America is going to really see the full scope of the manipulation that went on, and it's ain't gonna be pretty.

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i think because of how fucked in the head 9/11 made us, we didn't know what to think when the idea for war in iraq surfaced. :?



True, and that's all well and good for the citizens, but our elected leaders should ALWAYS keep a level head in the face of any disaster of any size and make the right decision and choices for their citizens. That is what leadership is.


agreed


don't blame the leadership though, blame the people that have voted in the leadership. bush is not a product of bush, he's a product of a system.

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don't blame the leadership though, blame the people that have voted in the leadership. bush is not a product of bush, he's a product of a system.


I somewhat agree with you, but my problem is is that the people putting him in office in 2000 had very little idea of his plan to invade iraq, i think. I'm sure some people suspected something but a majority were picking him in a lesser of 2 evils scenario. The people who put him in in 2004, yes i blame them for some of the shitty leadership that has been going on. Unfortuanetly, I think we as americans really do have the turd sandwich vs. the giant douche type elections. I really blame the people for not demanding better leadership and the "leaders" themselves for not doing what is right for humanity and the welfare of the people... (does this make any sense? I'm kind of just ranting here.)

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ranting in e-minor wrote:
(does this make any sense? I'm kind of just ranting here.)


If it were in e-minor it would all make sense. :wink:

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If it were in e-minor it would all make sense. :wink:


Damn, it was in D Sharp, not the most pleasant key. :(

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