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 Post subject: George Bush: "We do not torture"
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US President George W Bush has defended his government's treatment of detainees after a media allegation that the CIA ran secret jails in eastern Europe.

"We do not torture," Mr Bush told reporters during a visit to Panama.

He said enemies were plotting to hurt the US and his government would pursue them, but would do so "under the law".

Meanwhile, the US Supreme Court has allowed a legal challenge to the Bush administration's use of military tribunals for foreign detainees.

The court will decide whether a former driver for Osama Bin Laden, Salim Ahmed Hamdan, can be tried for war crimes before military officers in Guantanamo Bay.

Correspondents say the case will be a major test of the US government's wartime powers.

'Country at war'

The White House has not confirmed Washington Post claims that the CIA set up a covert prison network in eastern Europe and Asia to hold high-profile terror suspects following the 11 September 2001 attacks.

About 30 detainees, considered major terrorism suspects, were held at these "black sites", although the centres have now been closed, the paper reported.

On Sunday, the United Nations' special rapporteur on torture urged European officials to conduct high-level investigations into the allegations.

"We are finding terrorists and bringing them to justice," Mr Bush said at a joint news conference with Panamanian President Martin Torrijos.

"Our country is at war and our government has the obligation to protect the American people," Mr Bush said.

"Any activity we conduct is within the law."

The Senate has passed legislation banning torture, but the Bush administration is seeking an exemption for the CIA spy agency.

"We do not torture and therefore we're working with Congress to make sure that as we go forward, we make it more possible to do our job," Mr Bush said.

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The Supreme Court has agreed to review an appeals court ruling that Mr Hamdan could be tried by a military tribunal.

The court will hear arguments in the case in March or April, with a decision expected by June.

Mr Hamdan, from Yemen, is accused of conspiracy to commit war crimes, including terrorism.

A judge halted his trial last year, saying it could not proceed until a decision had been made on whether he was a prisoner of war under the Geneva Conventions.

Mr Hamdan contested his status as "enemy combatant", and his lawyers were seeking to force US authorities to try him in a civilian court, arguing that the military tribunals were illegal under US law.

Mr Hamdan worked for Bin Laden in Afghanistan from 1997 until the US attack in Afghanistan in 2001. He denies being a member of al-Qaeda.


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I would torture anyone found at a bomb making factory. They waive their right when they threaten civilians.

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I would torture anyone found at a bomb making factory. They waive their right when they threaten civilians.


That'll stop 'em!


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The question we really need to ask ourselves is "Who Would Jesus Torture?"

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I would torture anyone found at a bomb making factory. They waive their right when they threaten civilians.


That'll stop 'em!



Bad news man, nothing will ever "stop" them. The best we can do is deter them, and stop those we can before they get us.*

*This does not include going into some country across the world and nation building.

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Bad news man, nothing will ever "stop" them.


I disagree.


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Bad news man, nothing will ever "stop" them. The best we can do is deter them, and stop those we can before they get us.


It must be fun living in the shadow of state-sponsored fear everyday. :arrow:

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Bad news man, nothing will ever "stop" them. The best we can do is deter them, and stop those we can before they get us.


It must be fun living in the shadow of state-sponsored fear everyday. :arrow:


Apparently not as fun as living in "all we need is love and understanding" fantasy land.

Exactly how would you achieve universial bliss? Communism? The best we can do is achieve an end to international bloodshed. And that, only with the death of religion. Tolerance is a one way street in our world.

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The best we can do is achieve an end to international bloodshed. And that, only with the death of religion.
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Torturing inmates, if we actually did that sort of thing, only leads to unreliable intel, new Middle East enemies, no moral ground for demanding the humane treatment of our own troops, and a general loss of one's soul.

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broken_iris wrote:
Serjical Strike wrote:
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Bad news man, nothing will ever "stop" them. The best we can do is deter them, and stop those we can before they get us.


It must be fun living in the shadow of state-sponsored fear everyday. :arrow:


Apparently not as fun as living in "all we need is love and understanding" fantasy land.

Exactly how would you achieve universial bliss? Communism? The best we can do is achieve an end to international bloodshed. And that, only with the death of religion. Tolerance is a one way street in our world.


Hippie communist eh? You've certainly got me pegged. :roll:

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Georgie forget the "arrow" :arrow:

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a general loss of one's soul.


I think we really need to focus on this one.

I get so sick of the egocentric attitude americans have.


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Georgie forget the "arrow" :arrow:

Actually, he used airquotes and a strategic eyeroll.

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Hippie communist eh? You've certainly got me pegged. :roll:


Living in the shadow of state sponsered fear huh? You've ceraintly got me pegged. :roll:

No I don't prejudge you, but you tend to resort to the "make light of what you can't explain" thought process.

I think it's childish to believe that we are all just friends who haven't met yet. Or all cultures can (or want to) live intertwind. We have historically black colleges because some blacks apparently don't feel comfortable in a "white" school and want to be around thier own "kind". We as a nation accept this, but refuse to put this effective principle in to play in the world at large.

Apparently even segregated high schools are a good idea (obviously not)
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We as a society should just recognize people are different and want different things. You can't live in Canada and only obey Islamic Laws (actually in some areas you can do this). I think people should just be what they want to be and not ask society to conform to them because they feel isolated or neglected. People should be equal under the law, the end.

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