Board index » Word on the Street... » News & Debate




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 59 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Bush Borrowed More Than All Previous Presidents Combined
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:46 am 
Offline
User avatar
Got Some
 Profile

Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:52 pm
Posts: 1727
Location: Earth
Gender: Male
Bush Borrowed More Than All Previous Presidents Combined, Group SaysBy Melanie Hunter
CNSNews.com Senior Editor
November 04, 2005

(CNSNews.com) - President Bush and the current administration have borrowed more money from foreign governments and banks than the previous 42 presidents combined, a group of conservative to moderate Democrats said Friday.

Blue Dog Coalition, which describes itself as a group "focused on fiscal responsibility," called the administration's borrowing practices "astounding."

According to the Treasury Department, from 1776-2000, the first 224 years of U.S. history, 42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign governments and financial institutions, but in the past four years alone, the Bush administration borrowed $1.05 trillion.

"The seriousness of this rapid and increasing financial vulnerability of our country can hardly be overstated," said Rep. John Tanner (D-Tenn.), a leader of the Blue Dog Coalition and member of the House Ways and Means Committee.

"The financial mismanagement of our country by the Bush Administration should be of concern to all Americans, regardless of political persuasion," said Tanner in a press release.

Earlier this year, the Blue Dog Coalition unveiled a 12-step plan to "cure" the nation's "addiction to deficit spending." It included requiring all federal agencies to pass clean audits, a balanced budget, and the establishment of a rainy day fund for use in emergencies specifically a natural disaster.

"No American political leadership has ever willfully and deliberately mortgaged our country to foreign interests in the manner we have witnessed over the past four years," said Tanner. "If this recklessness is not stopped, I truly believe our economic freedom as American citizens is in great jeopardy."
------------------------------------------------------------------
Conservative my ass. :roll:

_________________
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum."
-Noam Chomsky


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:59 am 
Offline
User avatar
AnalLog
 Profile

Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:15 pm
Posts: 25452
Location: Under my wing like Sanford & Son
Gender: Male
Hasn't he never vetoed a spending bill as well?

_________________
Now that god no longer exists, the desire for another world still remains.

Always do the right thing.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:16 am 
Offline
User avatar
Administrator
 Profile

Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:53 pm
Posts: 20537
Location: The City Of Trees
I'm sure the next president after him will break that record. The endless cycle... :(


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:14 am 
Offline
User avatar
Force of Nature
 WWW  Profile

Joined: Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:10 am
Posts: 662
Location: Arvada, CO
Gender: Male
I can't say that I know what the hell is going on. If there is some plan here, please cue me in, because I'm fucking lost.

_________________
...and then they made me their chief.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:18 am 
Offline
User avatar
Supersonic
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:44 am
Posts: 14671
Location: Baton Rouge
Gender: Male
Green Habit wrote:
I'm sure the next president after him will break that record. The endless cycle... :(


only if we are fighting 2 wars :?


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:48 am 
Offline
User avatar
Unthought Known
 Profile

Joined: Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:54 am
Posts: 7189
Location: CA
It wouldn't be nearly as spectacular if it was adjusted for inflation, but I don't doubt that it'd still be extraordinarily high. I wouldn't mind so much if we were spending like mad with some sort of vision or goal, but we seem to be just running around willy nilly with both our foreign and domestic policies. Anyone want to start a happy Libertarian paradise with me? We could probably buy something in the Carribean.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:48 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Unthought Known
 Profile

Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:49 pm
Posts: 9495
Location: Richie-Richville, Maryland
TomJoad187 wrote:
I can't say that I know what the hell is going on. If there is some plan here, please cue me in, because I'm fucking lost.




He lied to his supporters about giving a shit about this nation after his term is up. He's a politician. If he's talking, he's f**king lying.

He also had to find a way to implement the largest increase on the size of the federal government ever (Department of Homeland Security) without raising taxes (political suicide, see his poppa). The only way to do this is to enslave our future generations to our trading partners. Our saving grace is most of the worlds economy is dependant on America's inability to do anything finacially or socially responsible.*

*One of the reasons a China-Iran-South America coalition is so dangerous to our future, as they wouldn't need us.

_________________
you get a lifetime, that's it.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar
too drunk to moderate properly
 WWW  Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:19 pm
Posts: 39068
Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA
Gender: Male
Fiscal responsibility, beotches!

_________________
"Though some may think there should be a separation between art/music and politics, it should be reinforced that art can be a form of nonviolent protest." - e.v.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:12 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Yeah Yeah Yeah
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2004 12:29 am
Posts: 4598
So, what W is saying is that if Cuba had a better economy that wold be our friends?


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:17 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Force of Nature
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:05 pm
Posts: 622
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
We should end the wars now because the government's going to go broke and then we'll all be in trouble.

_________________
original join date: 29 September 2002
darth_vedder wrote:
I hate Pearl Jam and the goddamn 10 club.

Ledbetterman10 wrote:
This place is a cesspool of douchbagery.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Unthought Known
 Profile

Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:49 pm
Posts: 9495
Location: Richie-Richville, Maryland
TortureFollowsReward wrote:
We should end the wars now because the government's going to go broke and then we'll all be in trouble.



:thumbsup:

_________________
you get a lifetime, that's it.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:02 pm 
Offline
Yeah Yeah Yeah
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:25 pm
Posts: 3567
Location: Swingin from the Gallows Pole
Sometimes borrowing money makes sense. Did you pay for you house in cash or did you borrow money to pay for it?

_________________
This space for sale by owner. Contact within.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Got Some
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 5:22 am
Posts: 1603
Location: Buffalo
Zutballs wrote:
Sometimes borrowing money makes sense. Did you pay for you house in cash or did you borrow money to pay for it?


Sometimes borrowing money does not make sense. Like borrowing money for a house that doesn't exist.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:01 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Yeah Yeah Yeah
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2004 12:29 am
Posts: 4598
Mortgage is a huge fucking scam, if you have a high enough interest right then you actually pay twice for your house, so sometimes borrowing is stupid


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Got Some
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:49 am
Posts: 1124
Zutballs wrote:
Sometimes borrowing money makes sense. Did you pay for you house in cash or did you borrow money to pay for it?


That is the most assine argument you can make for fiscal irresponsibility. It's like saying it's good to have credit card debt because it enhances your credit rating. The fact remains national debt and huge borrowing from foreign banks is an albatross on the economy and a harbinger of doom. Not only does it make us have to be nice to the foreign banks, but it also prevents us from doing better things with the money than borrowing money to make the interest payments on the money we borrowed to make the interest payments on the money we borrowed to make the interest payments. Never mind about the stupid principal! The fact remains, what happens to people when they mortgage a house to the hilt and for whatever reason default on the loan or worse, if the bank goes bad and recalls the loan? It's called bankruptcy.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Jim's Pal
 Profile

Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:49 pm
Posts: 2525
Location: South Philadelphia
Gender: Male
is this statistic adjusted so that both the amounts borrowed are in 2005 dollars? for example, to say that lincoln borrowed $25,000 in 1862 maybe be equivalent to bush borrowing 2 billion in 2005.

i will keep my comments to myself for now.

_________________
Reading 10.01.04 - Philly 10.03.05 - Camden 5.27.06 - Camden 5.28.06 - Camden 6.19.08


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:38 pm 
Offline
Yeah Yeah Yeah
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:25 pm
Posts: 3567
Location: Swingin from the Gallows Pole
CitizenByron wrote:
Zutballs wrote:
Sometimes borrowing money makes sense. Did you pay for you house in cash or did you borrow money to pay for it?


That is the most assine argument you can make for fiscal irresponsibility. It's like saying it's good to have credit card debt because it enhances your credit rating. The fact remains national debt and huge borrowing from foreign banks is an albatross on the economy and a harbinger of doom. Not only does it make us have to be nice to the foreign banks, but it also prevents us from doing better things with the money than borrowing money to make the interest payments on the money we borrowed to make the interest payments on the money we borrowed to make the interest payments. Never mind about the stupid principal! The fact remains, what happens to people when they mortgage a house to the hilt and for whatever reason default on the loan or worse, if the bank goes bad and recalls the loan? It's called bankruptcy.


Yeah its stupid to keep this economy rising buy borrowing money. :roll: Money makes money, right? When new jobs are created it puts money back into the system.

Why do we have to be nice to foreign banks? China's monetary system is tied to our dollar.

_________________
This space for sale by owner. Contact within.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:48 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Yeah Yeah Yeah
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2004 12:29 am
Posts: 4598
YouAre GivenToFly wrote:
is this statistic adjusted so that both the amounts borrowed are in 2005 dollars? for example, to say that lincoln borrowed $25,000 in 1862 maybe be equivalent to bush borrowing 2 billion in 2005.

i will keep my comments to myself for now.


I wish I knew, somebody get on this.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar
Got Some
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:49 am
Posts: 1124
Zutballs wrote:
CitizenByron wrote:
Zutballs wrote:
Sometimes borrowing money makes sense. Did you pay for you house in cash or did you borrow money to pay for it?


That is the most assine argument you can make for fiscal irresponsibility. It's like saying it's good to have credit card debt because it enhances your credit rating. The fact remains national debt and huge borrowing from foreign banks is an albatross on the economy and a harbinger of doom. Not only does it make us have to be nice to the foreign banks, but it also prevents us from doing better things with the money than borrowing money to make the interest payments on the money we borrowed to make the interest payments on the money we borrowed to make the interest payments. Never mind about the stupid principal! The fact remains, what happens to people when they mortgage a house to the hilt and for whatever reason default on the loan or worse, if the bank goes bad and recalls the loan? It's called bankruptcy.


Yeah its stupid to keep this economy rising buy borrowing money. :roll: Money makes money, right? When new jobs are created it puts money back into the system.

Why do we have to be nice to foreign banks? China's monetary system is tied to our dollar.


Well I'd hate to see your checkbook if you operate that way. And it's awful hard to negotiate trade deals and take a hard stance when we need Chinese or Korean or Japanese banks to give us new loans or extend our credit. Your money making money argument is bogus when those jobs are outsourced to India and the jobs left in America are paying less. Face it, you're not going to win the argument here. If it were a short-term measure to re-invest in our economy, I would listen, but the national debt has become a systemic problem. Even libertarians who tend to be on the far right political spectrum will agree with this view. Federal spending has run amok and is a drag on our economy. You argument is only a quick fix and not long-term thinking.


Top
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:06 pm 
Offline
Yeah Yeah Yeah
 Profile

Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:25 pm
Posts: 3567
Location: Swingin from the Gallows Pole
CitizenByron wrote:
Zutballs wrote:
CitizenByron wrote:
Zutballs wrote:
Sometimes borrowing money makes sense. Did you pay for you house in cash or did you borrow money to pay for it?


That is the most assine argument you can make for fiscal irresponsibility. It's like saying it's good to have credit card debt because it enhances your credit rating. The fact remains national debt and huge borrowing from foreign banks is an albatross on the economy and a harbinger of doom. Not only does it make us have to be nice to the foreign banks, but it also prevents us from doing better things with the money than borrowing money to make the interest payments on the money we borrowed to make the interest payments on the money we borrowed to make the interest payments. Never mind about the stupid principal! The fact remains, what happens to people when they mortgage a house to the hilt and for whatever reason default on the loan or worse, if the bank goes bad and recalls the loan? It's called bankruptcy.


Yeah its stupid to keep this economy rising buy borrowing money. :roll: Money makes money, right? When new jobs are created it puts money back into the system.

Why do we have to be nice to foreign banks? China's monetary system is tied to our dollar.


Well I'd hate to see your checkbook if you operate that way. And it's awful hard to negotiate trade deals and take a hard stance when we need Chinese or Korean or Japanese banks to give us new loans or extend our credit. Your money making money argument is bogus when those jobs are outsourced to India and the jobs left in America are paying less. Face it, you're not going to win the argument here. If it were a short-term measure to re-invest in our economy, I would listen, but the national debt has become a systemic problem. Even libertarians who tend to be on the far right political spectrum will agree with this view. Federal spending has run amok and is a drag on our economy. You argument is only a quick fix and not long-term thinking.


Here's your problem. You are listening to politicians instead of economists. Are you going to tell me that politicians know best for this economy? We've been borrowing money since the 1960's in times when the economy hasn't beens strong. Have you seen the increase monetarily per capita since the 1960's?

_________________
This space for sale by owner. Contact within.


Top
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 59 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next

Board index » Word on the Street... » News & Debate


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
It is currently Tue Jan 20, 2026 1:55 pm