OK, so Wednesday, Bush says that Congress voted to give him the authority to go into Iraq while looking at the same intelligence that he had.

John Kerry, Richard Clark, and John McCain all, more or less, called that a lie on Thursday. No one in Congress knew the source of the intelligence that they were given by Bush. They didn't know that major points of the intelligence were based on unreliable information like Iraqi alcoholics, forged documents, and tortured suspects.

, comments by congressman Murtha as to Cheney and Bush criticizing critics of the war.

why is no one talking impeachment for bush? He has killed over 2000 of our troops and made money off this war, for him and Cheney.

The main reason is that the House is controlled by Bush's assclowns.

I also think that it is an insult and disrepecting the troops that have died by not allowing their faces on TV. If Bush is so certain what he is doing is right then he would not have a problem with this.
He knows they are being killed for no reason. He should be held accountable

An why oh does the right keep trying to sell dems and non-war supporters as undermining the president and not supporting the troops, its driving me crazy

I guess since our media doesn't care....



http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11 ... index.html

PD posted a Rude Pundit article that showed how out of context the quotes Bush used are.

Didn't Ted Koppel do a Nightline listing of all the soldiers that had been killed a while back?

The White House spin machine has responded by comparing Murtha to Michael Moore. Keep it up guys, soon the entire country will hate you!

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/17/ ... index.html

White House: Murtha's call is 'surrender'
Democratic hawk: U.S. must leave Iraq

Friday, November 18, 2005; Posted: 11:09 a.m. EST (16:09 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House accused a senior House Democrat -- and a decorated Vietnam veteran -- who called for a swift withdrawal from Iraq of advocating surrender, comparing him to anti-war filmmaker Michael Moore.

In a broadside issued Thursday night, Bush spokesman Scott McClellan said that it is "baffling that [Pennsylvania Rep. John Murtha] is endorsing the policy positions of Michael Moore and the extreme liberal wing of the Democratic party."

McClellan called Murtha, a retired Marine colonel who earned a Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts for his service in Vietnam, "a respected veteran and politician who has a record of supporting America."

But McClellan added, "The eve of an historic democratic election in Iraq is not the time to surrender to the terrorists."

A senior Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee, Murtha had supported the resolution that authorized the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

But Thursday he called the Bush administration's management of the conflict "a flawed policy wrapped in illusion," and said the continued presence of U.S. troops in Iraq is "uniting the enemy against us." (Watch Murtha's take on 'flawed policy wrapped in illusion' -- 8:11)

"It's time to bring the troops home," he said, noting that a withdrawal would take about six months to complete. (Read more on his statement)

He also took a swipe at Vice President Dick Cheney and President Bush, who have accused Democratic critics of playing politics during a war.

"I like guys who've never been there who criticize us who've been there," Murtha said. "I like that. I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and sent people to war and then don't like to hear suggestions that what may need to be done."

Cheney avoided military service during the 1960's Vietnam era with a series of draft deferments, and Bush served stateside in the National Guard during Vietnam.

Murtha was wounded twice in Vietnam.

White House Counselor Dan Bartlett called Murtha's position "out of the mainstream of his own party," and said that "immediate withdrawal would be, as one general on the ground put it, a recipe for disaster."

Bartlett also called Murtha's reference to Cheney's draft deferments "unfair" and "beside the point," noting there is a long list of wartime presidents who served ably without military experience.

Not all Democrats are lining up behind Murtha.

Fellow veteran Sen. John Kerry, who also voted for the Iraq resolution, disagrees with Murtha's call for a swift withdrawal, arguing instead for a phased withdrawal linked "to the success of the election."

But Kerry, who lost to Bush in last year's election, blasted the administration, saying that it was engaging in scare tactics by equating criticism of the war to encouraging the insurgency. (Read interview)

Nearly 2,100 American troops have died in Iraq since the March 2003 invasion that toppled Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein -- a war that top U.S. officials said was needed to strip Iraq of illicit stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons and efforts to produce a nuclear bomb.

No such weapons have turned up since Hussein's government collapsed in April 2003.
Divide over the war

Public support for the conflict has dropped sharply over the last few months. Only 35 percent of those surveyed in a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll published Monday supported the Bush administration's handling of the conflict, and 54 percent said the invasion was a mistake.

The poll also found that 19 percent of Americans want to see the troops come home now, and 33 percent said they wanted them home within a year. Only 38 percent said they should remain "as long as needed."

Republicans in the House said the United States was making progress in the conflict, with Iraqis voting in October to ratify a new constitution and elections for a permanent parliament scheduled in December.

"I think that the Democrats who have undertaken this initiative have made a mistake," said Rep. Duncan Hunter, the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. "I think they've underestimated the toughness of the American people and the understanding that if we don't change the world, the world is going to change us."

Hunter, whose son currently serves in the Marines, said U.S. troops should leave only when, "in the judgment of the war-fighting commanders, Iraqis are capable of defending their own country."

CNN's Dana Bash and Deirdre Walsh contributed to this report.
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Anyone else think this is a huge mistake? While they got away with this with Kerry and McCain because of their political aspirations, I don't think Murtha's gonna take this too well, and I can't wait to hear his response.

I have never wanted to punch somebody in the face like I would Scott McClellan. I cant wait until that mouth piece has to testify under oath.

The title of this thread should be:

Bush Lies Again. In Other News; The Sun Came Up This Morning.

Sometimes Bush sends Cheney out to lie for him.



Thirteen Lies Told by Dick Cheney: http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/20084/

So what's this make our country? Is it two parties? Doesn't congress have some responsibility to ensure that this information was correct. If Bush said, "trust me guys, everyone in America does." And they trust him, don't question him, and rubber stamp his war, then it would seem to me that that branch of government failed in its check and balance responsibilities. The only reason they did what they did, and are doing what they are doing, and taking these ridiculous positions, is to avoid any bit of personal responsibility they have in this war.

I agree that congress should take some responsibility, but if the white house wont share their pdbs then are they supposed to pull intelligence out of their assholes? I just wanted to say assholes carry on

Don't give the president the authority to go to war? Tell the president, "We're not on board until you crosscheck and verify that this information on my desk is correct." Ask, "what is the source of this information?" Things of that nature.

I don't know if I were a lawmaker and the President said, "we know this," if I would question him. ("Really? How do you know that? Who told you that? etc.") But I do agree that a truly anti-war Democrat had more than enough reason to vote "NO" on giving Bush authority to invade Iraq and make him come back and ask later.

"I've sold you idiots on an unwinnable war. I've given billions of dollars to Halluburton. I've cut taxes for the wealthy and food stamps for the poor. In light of all that, I just wanted to say that I just saved 15% on my car insurance by switching to Geico!"

Why? We have a two party system, and three branches of government for a reason. The senate doesn't exist to rubber stamp the president on anything, and vice versa.