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 Post subject: BUSH PLOT TO BOMB Al - JAZEERA
PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:43 pm 
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BUSH PLOT TO BOMB Al - JAZEERA
UK Mirror | November 22, 2005
By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines


PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a "Top Secret" No 10 memo reveals.

But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash.

A source said: "There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it." Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency.

The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation.

A source said last night: "The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush.

"He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem.

"There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it."

A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been "humorous, not serious".

But another source declared: "Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men."

Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two leaders' conversation. He said: "It's frightening to think that such a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions.

"I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war."

Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr Blair on April 16 last year.

At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in the Iraqi town of Fallujah.

Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims.

The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West.

Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha.

Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no danger of "collateral damage".

Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained technicians and journalists.

To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the Iraq War itself.

The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors.

In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two "smart" bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre.

The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then Labour MP Tony Clarke.

Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court next week.

Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10.

He said Mr O'Connor had behaved "perfectly correctly".

Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10 did not comment.

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 Post subject: Re: BUSH PLOT TO BOMB Al - JAZEERA
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Pfft. I wish we had. What was a prime target in World War II? Communications...no matter if they were civilian or military. What was a prime target in Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf Wars? It is always communication, ESPECIALLY when said "news" pumps out nothing but propaganda supporting the enemy, which puts our soldiers in harms way. We should have. As for someone taking out the BBC in a war time operaion in London, I would fucking expect that...just as NBC, CBS, and FOX would be destroyed in an operation here. THAT IS WAR.

This is such a "non-issue", and even less so because it didn't happen.

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And to think, the UK Mirror is the only news source to be reporting this story . . . :arrow:


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Chris_H_2 wrote:
And to think, the UK Mirror is the only news source to be reporting this story . . . :arrow:


Exactly.

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I just saw this, was about to post it but you beat me to it... Glad Blair and his administration had the sense to talk our president out of it

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PJterp wrote:
I just saw this, was about to post it but you beat me to it... Glad Blair and his administration had the sense to talk our president out of it


...and the UK Mirror is glad that you were gullable enough to believe it.

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11 ... index.html


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Chris_H_2 wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/22/us.al.jazeera/index.html

I can't believe the White House would deny this story.

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 Post subject: Re: BUSH PLOT TO BOMB Al - JAZEERA
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As for someone taking out the BBC in a war time operaion in London, I would fucking expect that...just as NBC, CBS, and FOX would be destroyed in an operation here. THAT IS WAR.

I don't disagree completely;however, would it be be acceptable for said enemies to bomb media outlets in Paris or Calgary while at war with England and the U.S. (respectively)?

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punkdavid wrote:
Chris_H_2 wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/22/us.al.jazeera/index.html

I can't believe the White House would deny this story.


You're right, I was fully expecting it to come out and claim responsibility for the allegations and disseminate the memorandum that purportedly demonstrates its culpability, just like every other administration would.


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Chris_H_2 wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
Chris_H_2 wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/22/us.al.jazeera/index.html

I can't believe the White House would deny this story.


You're right, I was fully expecting it to come out and claim responsibility for the allegations and disseminate the memorandum that purportedly demonstrates its culpability, just like every other administration would.

I didn't really need to label that as sarcasm, now did I?

Not that I am buying this story at this point, but a denial from the White House about this is like Tom Cruise's publicist telling us that he's not gay.

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Buck Naked wrote:
last soldier of love wrote:
As for someone taking out the BBC in a war time operaion in London, I would fucking expect that...just as NBC, CBS, and FOX would be destroyed in an operation here. THAT IS WAR.

I don't disagree completely;however, would it be be acceptable for said enemies to bomb media outlets in Paris or Calgary while at war with England and the U.S. (respectively)?


calgary is part of the US?

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punkdavid wrote:
Chris_H_2 wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
Chris_H_2 wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/22/us.al.jazeera/index.html

I can't believe the White House would deny this story.


You're right, I was fully expecting it to come out and claim responsibility for the allegations and disseminate the memorandum that purportedly demonstrates its culpability, just like every other administration would.

I didn't really need to label that as sarcasm, now did I?

Not that I am buying this story at this point, but a denial from the White House about this is like Tom Cruise's publicist telling us that he's not gay.


But . . . what . . . about . . . Katie . . . ???


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Peeps wrote:
Buck Naked wrote:
last soldier of love wrote:
As for someone taking out the BBC in a war time operaion in London, I would fucking expect that...just as NBC, CBS, and FOX would be destroyed in an operation here. THAT IS WAR.

I don't disagree completely;however, would it be be acceptable for said enemies to bomb media outlets in Paris or Calgary while at war with England and the U.S. (respectively)?


calgary is part of the US?

He's circling the point, coming in for a landing...

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Peeps wrote:
Buck Naked wrote:
last soldier of love wrote:
As for someone taking out the BBC in a war time operaion in London, I would fucking expect that...just as NBC, CBS, and FOX would be destroyed in an operation here. THAT IS WAR.

I don't disagree completely;however, would it be be acceptable for said enemies to bomb media outlets in Paris or Calgary while at war with England and the U.S. (respectively)?


calgary is part of the US?

About as much as Qatar is a part of Iraq.

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Peeps wrote:
Buck Naked wrote:
last soldier of love wrote:
As for someone taking out the BBC in a war time operaion in London, I would fucking expect that...just as NBC, CBS, and FOX would be destroyed in an operation here. THAT IS WAR.

I don't disagree completely;however, would it be be acceptable for said enemies to bomb media outlets in Paris or Calgary while at war with England and the U.S. (respectively)?


calgary is part of the US?


This makes me sad.

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last soldier of love wrote:
It is always communication, ESPECIALLY when said "news" pumps out nothing but propaganda supporting the enemy, which puts our soldiers in harms way.


While I'm not shocked by the Admin's denial, I also wouldn't be shocked if there's some element of truth to this. But to downright reject Al-Jazeera as propaganda is ignorant, depending on what your definition of "propaganda" is.

If you believe that:
Daily Mirror wrote:
reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims

constitutes propaganda, than I guess we disagree. I would recommend people watch the excellent documentary "The Control Room" to get an idea of what Al-Jazeera actual does/is.


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Dear America,

Please to be leaving the Muslims the fuck alone for 5 minutes.

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I wish the us would bomb something that would better this world, ie people magazine or fox news :?


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