Post subject: PEAK OIL - NONOFFICIAL ONGOING THREAD
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:27 am
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This article will begin the Peak Oil thread I think better then any other:
Post Carbon Institute Launches New Publicity Campaign Linked to “Syrianaâ€
National Grassroots Campaign to Spread Awareness of Peak Oil to “Syriana†Audiences
To further raise the awareness among Syriana audiences that oil supply disruptions are coming and that preparations urgently need to begin locally, Post Carbon Institute (postcarbon.org) is mobilizing volunteers around the country to distribute catchy flyers to moviegoers before and after the film.
(PRWEB) December 16, 2005 -- Our tragic reliance on oil is grimly portrayed in the new film Syriana, which depicts $20 per gallon gas, skyrocketing food costs, and escalating global terrorism in the face of declining fossil fuel reserves. With respect to energy scarcity, the plot of the movie is much more realistic than most people realize. Ever-higher oil costs will become the norm for Americans as world production passes its inevitable peak, which many analysts think will occur within two to five years.
Syriana couldn’t hit theaters at a more appropriate time with Americans now enduring painful gas prices at the pump and growing anxiety over terrorism and the war in Iraq. "Syriana is a portal into our future. The film will soften up the American public for the coming oil price shocks and the early ramifications of the end of cheap oil," said David Room, Director of Policy and Mobilization for Post Carbon Institute (http://www.postcarbon.org), a nonprofit organization that works for the transition to the post-petroleum future. “Post Carbon Institute applauds Participant Productions for making such a timely film on the geopolitics of energy scarcity and initiating their Oil Change campaign.â€
After “peak oil†– the point at which the rate of global oil extraction reaches its highest level and then goes into inexorable decline – some of the growing demand for petroleum and the multitude of products for which it is used will necessarily go unsatisfied. Oil scarcity will also increase pressure on supplies and raise the price of America’s second most important energy source, North American natural gas, which is already strained to its limits despite recent mild winters.
Federal policymakers are beginning to acknowledge the serious need to shift from our dangerous dependence on oil and natural gas. Former State Dept. Chief of Staff Lawrence Wilkerson recently said: "We have an economy and a society that is built on the consumption of [oil and natural gas . We better get fast at work changing the foundation." A new bipartisan Peak Oil Caucus has just formed in the U.S. House of Representatives, calling for the establishment of an energy project with the magnitude, creativity, and sense of urgency that was incorporated in the ‘Man on the Moon’ project to address the inevitable challenges of peak oil.
To further raise the awareness among Syriana audiences that oil supply disruptions are coming and that preparations urgently need to begin locally, Post Carbon Institute (http://www.postcarbon.org) is mobilizing volunteers around the country to distribute catchy flyers to moviegoers before and after the film. The flyers link back to a website (http://www.postcarbon.org/syriana) that provides more information and downloadable flyers. Syriana, which The New York Times calls "one of the best geopolitical thrillers in a very long time,†debuts today in theaters.
For further information on peak oil and Post Carbon Institute’s “Peak Oil: The Reality Behind Syriana Campaign,†visit http://www.postcarbon.org/syriana.
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Oil Shortages along with global warming seem to be for our generations as vexing as stonehenge & Nessy were for past generations. I mean, FUCK, can someone give us an honest answer on this subject. We have to have some conclusive evidence that shows how much oil there is under ground, right?
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There are NO alternatives that can do anything like what fossil fuels have done for us. The infastructure is not there and takes a minimum of 30 years to have up and running to meet the needs of an ever growing consumer market here in the U.S. With roughly 800 million combustion engines on this planet, what could possibly be alternative in way of making these vehicles move? Nothing. Nuclear and Coal are alternatives but will not do anything for day to day transportation of everything from food to you and your kids to work and school.
Syriana is amazing at potraying how U.S. oil companies are doing all they can to secure the remaining oil, and roughly 60% of it is in the Eurasion Triangle. Also this movie is hardly conspiracy theory, maybe conspiracy fact. Longstreet have you seen Syriana yet?
We are running out, and our way of life is gonna drastically change in the very near future, most likely 5-10 years you will see changes the likes you didn't think you'd see in your lifetime. Americans, and the World for that matter have been pretty much kept in the dark when it comes to this upccomming crisis.
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I'm still skeptical of the notion that there's going to be a sudden crisis once this "peak oil" point is reached. I imagine there would be a gradual rise in prices along with increased demand and shortened supply. I also don't see it being nearly as soon as 5-10 years, especially when you take shale oil into account, despite the various environmental impacts it would have.
That being said, I'm all in favor of petroleum conservation, as if environmental concerns from both air and land aren't enough. The place you have to start with this, however, is at a strictly local level--and that's how communities decide to develop their land. Suburban sprawl seems to be the biggest thing to target. At least I'm doing my part by living close to downtown and riding my bike: I've had a pack of filling up my tank about every six weeks.
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Green Habit wrote:
especially when you take shale oil into account, despite the various environmental impacts it would have.
I work for a client who has an old oil shale extractor next to his office building. I know in the 70's it was going to be the next big oil thing, but its still quite expensive. I heard there has been some more oil shale exploration going on in western Colorado, but these places have been a ghost town since the late 70's.
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Zutballs wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
especially when you take shale oil into account, despite the various environmental impacts it would have.
I work for a client who has an old oil shale extractor next to his office building. I know in the 70's it was going to be the next big oil thing, but its still quite expensive. I heard there has been some more oil shale exploration going on in western Colorado, but these places have been a ghost town since the late 70's.
Oh I know it's not economically feasible now, but it's there if all these doomsday scenarios come to fruition.
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I believe in the peak oil crisis. But I have a bicycle, and I live in the US. We'll probably be the last to be cut out of the oil loop; otherwise, we'll wage war on your ass!
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TomJoad187 wrote:
We'll probably be the last to be cut out of the oil loop; otherwise, we'll wage war on your ass!
Isn't that the truth.
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While I don't think the Holocaust in any way is a myth, I have found evidence that does support the possibility of an exageration when it comes to the number 6 million.
Still waiting on this new breaking evidence you have. Getting it all formatted? All, you know, in order? Nice and neat? Clear and concise?
While I don't think the Holocaust in any way is a myth, I have found evidence that does support the possibility of an exageration when it comes to the number 6 million.
Still waiting on this new breaking evidence you have. Getting it all formatted? All, you know, in order? Nice and neat? Clear and concise?
hey now, its xmas time, you should be nice
just cause he demaned LW have his sources in mere moments, does not mean he should be held to the same standard
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broken_iris wrote:
IEB! wrote:
While I don't think the Holocaust in any way is a myth, I have found evidence that does support the possibility of an exageration when it comes to the number 6 million.
Still waiting on this new breaking evidence you have. Getting it all formatted? All, you know, in order? Nice and neat? Clear and concise?
Oh and don't de-rail a completely seperate thread asking me for this, you simply could have bumped whatever thread this was asked of me.
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Peeps wrote:
broken_iris wrote:
IEB! wrote:
While I don't think the Holocaust in any way is a myth, I have found evidence that does support the possibility of an exageration when it comes to the number 6 million.
Still waiting on this new breaking evidence you have. Getting it all formatted? All, you know, in order? Nice and neat? Clear and concise?
hey now, its xmas time, you should be nice
just cause he demaned LW have his sources in mere moments, does not mean he should be held to the same standard
Yeah, sources I never got, ever...But I'll post links for anything I state on here. Of course they will be accused of being liberal or not official. But if it's not comming from a corporately owned news organization it isn't news right?
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Getting this thread back on track:
Asian oil demand may double as China booms
By TAN HWEE ANN in Melbourne
Bloomberg
December 6 2005
ASIAN oil consumption may double as China and other developing nations in the region need more of the fuel to feed their booming economies, said Marc Faber, who publishes The Gloom, Boom & Doom monthly newsletter.
Asian nations are consuming 21 million barrels of oil a day, compared to global production of 83 million barrels, said Faber, managing director of Marc Faber Ltd., which manages US$300 million (US$1 = RM3.78 ).
Rising demand for crude oil, along with two hurricanes that disabled most US production in the Gulf of Mexico this year, led prices to a record US$70.85 a barrel on August 30.
Oil producers are struggling to raise output due to a lack of investment in new plants and fields.
“After 1965, not a single large oil field has been discovered,†said Faber at a Commodity Investment World conference in Sydney.
“I doubt the incremental supply of oil in the next 10 years will match the incremental demand from Asia,†he added.
Production from Saudi Arabia, the world’s largest oil producer, will likely decline over time, said Faber.
China’s economy, the world’s seventh-largest, has tripled to US$1.7 trillion in the past decade, expanding by an average 8.7 per cent a year, as the Government encouraged investments to create jobs and improve living standards.
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