Why's he a dick? He's pissed at Obama. Was McCain's letter meant for the general public? Reading the letters, Obama seems to be playing to a wide audience, while McCain is pretty much just bitching at him.
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Why's he a dick? He's pissed at Obama. Was McCain's letter meant for the general public? Reading the letters, Obama seems to be playing to a wide audience, while McCain is pretty much just bitching at him.
Yeah, but did you read the letters? The things McCain is accusing Obama of saying he didn't even say, or even imply from my reading.
Also, any letter written to another Senator on letterhead has to be assumed to be a public document.
ALSO, McCain was on Hardball last night talking about this, so he's not trying to keep anything secret either.
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Why's he a dick? He's pissed at Obama. Was McCain's letter meant for the general public? Reading the letters, Obama seems to be playing to a wide audience, while McCain is pretty much just bitching at him.
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bart d. wrote:
Why's he a dick? He's pissed at Obama. Was McCain's letter meant for the general public? Reading the letters, Obama seems to be playing to a wide audience, while McCain is pretty much just bitching at him.
Yeah, but did you read the letters? The things McCain is accusing Obama of saying he didn't even say, or even imply from my reading.
Also, any letter written to another Senator on letterhead has to be assumed to be a public document.
ALSO, McCain was on Hardball last night talking about this, so he's not trying to keep anything secret either.
I will agree that McCain is coming off as somewhat of a baby here, with that air of a Senate veteran being unwilling to concede power or give any kind of credit to a "freshman," yet at the same time I can understand him wanting to remain in control of this, or at least, retain some credit of it for himself after putting so much time and effort into it.
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Looks to me like McCain just kinda lost it or something? I don't know what to make of it; I'm sure things were said outside of these letters that may have fueled this.
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I'd be more willing to give McCain the benefit of the doubt than Obama.
Well I wouldn't trust either of them, to be honest. I don't know Obama well enough, and McCain's support of Bush in the last election made me lose any respect I may have had for him. Talk about partisanship.
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I'd be more willing to give McCain the benefit of the doubt than Obama.
Why?
He's already established himself as a national figure, while most people have no idea who Barack Obama is, giving him more motivation to milk and/or sensationalize this.. This could be Obama's ticket to national recognition.
I'd be more willing to give McCain the benefit of the doubt than Obama.
Well I wouldn't trust either of them, to be honest. I don't know Obama well enough, and McCain's support of Bush in the last election made me lose any respect I may have had for him. Talk about partisanship.
He's still a republican. Bapartisanship doesn't mean you can't support your party's candidates. Although yes, I'd obviously rather he have not supported Bush.
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I'd be more willing to give McCain the benefit of the doubt than Obama.
Why?
He's already established himself as a national figure, while most people have no idea who Barack Obama is, giving him more motivation to milk and/or sensationalize this.. This could be Obama's ticket to national recognition.
Meh. Obama is as well known as anyone in the Democratic Party. He gave the keynote address at the convention in 2004, and he wasn't even in Congress yet. He's THE rising star in the party, and if he's trying to reach out to an audience wider than the party, THIS is not the way to do it.
I used to really like McCain, but I think he's slowing losing his mind over the past couple of years (or maybe it's his soul).
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I'd be more willing to give McCain the benefit of the doubt than Obama.
Well I wouldn't trust either of them, to be honest. I don't know Obama well enough, and McCain's support of Bush in the last election made me lose any respect I may have had for him. Talk about partisanship.
He's still a republican. Bapartisanship doesn't mean you can't support your party's candidates. Although yes, I'd obviously rather he have not supported Bush.
I could just see the looks on his face after those debates, and how bad it was eating him up to give Bush credit on his pathetic performances. Not to mention his continued support of Bush not only after they Swift-boated him in 2000, but John Kerry too. Fuck politics, that shit's just gotta hurt as a human being, to have your service shit on like that. John McCain basically has no spine in my opinion, and I would honestly expect more of the same of what we're getting now were he elected president.
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bart d. wrote:
I'd be more willing to give McCain the benefit of the doubt than Obama.
Well I wouldn't trust either of them, to be honest. I don't know Obama well enough, and McCain's support of Bush in the last election made me lose any respect I may have had for him. Talk about partisanship.
He's still a republican. Bapartisanship doesn't mean you can't support your party's candidates. Although yes, I'd obviously rather he have not supported Bush.
Maybe getting completely buttfucked by Karl Rove's political attack machine in 2000 would have convinced him that he shouldn't actively support Bush. But no, he wanted to pick up political points, so he sold his soul and publicly supported a man whose guts he hates.
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I'd be more willing to give McCain the benefit of the doubt than Obama.
Why?
He's already established himself as a national figure, while most people have no idea who Barack Obama is, giving him more motivation to milk and/or sensationalize this.. This could be Obama's ticket to national recognition.
Meh. Obama is as well known as anyone in the Democratic Party. He gave the keynote address at the convention in 2004, and he wasn't even in Congress yet. He's THE rising star in the party, and if he's trying to reach out to an audience wider than the party, THIS is not the way to do it.
I used to really like McCain, but I think he's slowing losing his mind over the past couple of years (or maybe it's his soul).
But that's just it. Why is he THE rising star of the democrats? People are talking about this guy for president in '08, for fuck's sake. Why?
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punkdavid wrote:
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punkdavid wrote:
bart d. wrote:
I'd be more willing to give McCain the benefit of the doubt than Obama.
Why?
He's already established himself as a national figure, while most people have no idea who Barack Obama is, giving him more motivation to milk and/or sensationalize this.. This could be Obama's ticket to national recognition.
Meh. Obama is as well known as anyone in the Democratic Party. He gave the keynote address at the convention in 2004, and he wasn't even in Congress yet. He's THE rising star in the party, and if he's trying to reach out to an audience wider than the party, THIS is not the way to do it.
I used to really like McCain, but I think he's slowing losing his mind over the past couple of years (or maybe it's his soul).
But that's just it. Why is he THE rising star of the democrats? People are talking about this guy for president in '08, for fuck's sake. Why?
Because he's young, handsome, articulate, calm and measured in his arguments, and he's black. He's just very impressive to listen to speak, and he seems to have some vision, something the Dems have sorely lacked in recent years.
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bart d. wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
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punkdavid wrote:
bart d. wrote:
I'd be more willing to give McCain the benefit of the doubt than Obama.
Why?
He's already established himself as a national figure, while most people have no idea who Barack Obama is, giving him more motivation to milk and/or sensationalize this.. This could be Obama's ticket to national recognition.
Meh. Obama is as well known as anyone in the Democratic Party. He gave the keynote address at the convention in 2004, and he wasn't even in Congress yet. He's THE rising star in the party, and if he's trying to reach out to an audience wider than the party, THIS is not the way to do it.
I used to really like McCain, but I think he's slowing losing his mind over the past couple of years (or maybe it's his soul).
But that's just it. Why is he THE rising star of the democrats? People are talking about this guy for president in '08, for fuck's sake. Why?
Perhpas you should pay a little attention to the political scene here in this country, Obama is gaining a fair amount of popularity and the man above all, has charisma
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McCain is the closest thing there is to an honest politician in Washington. He does grandstand at times but it's usually based on a deeply held conviction.
He had to support Bush if he has a prayer of ever becoming the Republican nominee for president. Anything else would have been political suicide. It's the nature of the business. And besides, who else was he going to endorse? Kerry?
If the Republicans are smart enough to nominate him in 2008, he'll destroy anyone the Dems could possibly put against him. As a slightly right of center moderate, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.
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I'd be more willing to give McCain the benefit of the doubt than Obama.
Why?
He's already established himself as a national figure, while most people have no idea who Barack Obama is, giving him more motivation to milk and/or sensationalize this.. This could be Obama's ticket to national recognition.
Meh. Obama is as well known as anyone in the Democratic Party. He gave the keynote address at the convention in 2004, and he wasn't even in Congress yet. He's THE rising star in the party, and if he's trying to reach out to an audience wider than the party, THIS is not the way to do it.
I used to really like McCain, but I think he's slowing losing his mind over the past couple of years (or maybe it's his soul).
But that's just it. Why is he THE rising star of the democrats? People are talking about this guy for president in '08, for fuck's sake. Why?
Perhpas you should pay a little attention to the political scene here in this country, Obama is gaining a fair amount of popularity and the man above all, has charisma
I understand he is popular. But his popularity is manufactured and hollow. He's the political equivelent of a boy band. The democratic establishment has hyped this guy to us from day one and it seems that many people (not refering to anyone here) have just accepted the hype. I have a problem when the national party basically ordains one man as the future of the party before he's even elected to national office. I don't trust the guy because I have no reason to trust him, and there are many, many other people whom I think would benefit more from the attention and funds the party has funneled to Obama.
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